Audirvana does not detect Arcam SA 30 as a MQA decoder

kenkirk · September 10, 2020, 5:02pm

Hello, Audirvana does not detect the Arcam SA 30 as a full MQA decoder. It is.The forum will not allow me to paste the debug information…

Ken

bitracer · September 10, 2020, 5:27pm

You can set it manually to MQA decoder.

Traveler8853 · September 10, 2020, 7:23pm

Ya it didn’t auto-detect my SMSL M400, but you can manually set it and MQA will pass just fine.

kenkirk · September 10, 2020, 8:49pm

I did set it manually. Does not work. This is a Upnp connection via ethernet. I’ve tried everything. I can set it as a renderer and Audirvana will unfold the first layer and pass that. But when set as a MQA decoder, it sends 24/48 to the Arcam and the Arcam does not see the MQA stream.

bitracer · September 10, 2020, 9:10pm

Have you disabled the auto detect feature? Are you on a Mac or a PC?

kenkirk · September 10, 2020, 9:15pm

Yes I have tried that. I once had to do that with a Meridian Employer II a few versions back. I have been using Audirvana for many years. The Arcam SA 30 is the new piece of the puzzle. And I have always used USB, not Upnp. I am using a MacBook running the latest Catalina. I can’t post the debug because I am a new poster on the forum. Its been a long time since I needed help with Audirvana!

Ken

bitracer · September 10, 2020, 9:21pm

It looks like the MQA is supported only when streamed directly from the internet and from files on USB drive.

Check that with the manufacturer.

kenkirk · September 10, 2020, 9:34pm

No, I get MQA over ethernet with Tidal via Roon.

Antoine · September 11, 2020, 7:09am

Hello @kenkirk, I changed your account settings in the forum, you should now be able to post the debug info.

kenkirk · September 11, 2020, 12:12pm

here is the debug : Thanks!

Audirvana Mac Version 3.5.40 (3570)
macOS 10.15.6 with 8192MB RAM

Registered to Kenneth Kirkpatrick

SIGNAL PROCESSING:

Polarity Inversion:
	Globally: OFF
	Per track: OFF
Effects plugins NOT ACTIVE

UPSAMPLING:
SoX not in use
SoX filter parameters
Bandwidth at 0dB = 99.5
Filter max length = 30000
Anti-aliasing = 100
Phase = 66

AUDIO VOLUME:
Max allowed volume: 100
Replay Gain: None
SW volume control: OFF

LIBRARY SETTINGS:
Sync list: 1 folders
AUTO: /Users/kenkirk/Music
iTunes/Music library synchronization: not synchronized
Library database path: /Users/kenkirk/Library/Application Support/Audirvana/AudirvanaPlusDatabaseV2.sqlite

ACTIVE STREAMING SERVICES
TIDAL: Connected as HIFI

=================== AUDIO DEVICE ========================

Preferred device: Stereo room speaker Model UID:Harman Luxury Audio Stereo room speaker UID:uuid:01e7c5cc-dde0-4813-8668-2b215e0ac87c

Currently playing to UPnP device at 24 bits 48kHz
Selected device:
UPnP device at http://10.0.0.5:40463/01e7c5cc-dde0-4813-8668-2b215e0ac87c.xml
ID 0x0 Stereo room speaker Manufacturer:Harman Luxury Audio
Model UID:Harman Luxury Audio Stereo room speaker UID:uuid:01e7c5cc-dde0-4813-8668-2b215e0ac87c

6 available sample rates up to 192000Hz
44100
48000
88200
96000
176400
192000
Volume control: No
MQA capability
Auto-detect MQA devices: Yes
Not a MQA device, user set to MQA Decoder
DSD capability: Raw DSD (MSB)
Device audio channels
Preferred stereo channels L:0 R:1
Channel bitmap: Ox3, layout:
Channel 0 mapped to 0
Channel 1 mapped to 1
UPnP/DLNA supported protocols:
http-get::text/xml:DLNA.ORG_PN=DIDL_S
http-get::audio/vnd.dlna.adts:DLNA.ORG_PN=HEAACv2_L2_320
http-get::audio/x-ms-wma:DLNA.ORG_PN=WMAFULL
http-get::audio/x-ms-wma:DLNA.ORG_PN=WMABASE
http-get::audio/3gpp:DLNA.ORG_PN=HEAACv2_L2_320
http-get::audio/mp4:DLNA.ORG_PN=HEAACv2_L2_320
http-get::audio/l16;rate=48000;channels=1:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
http-get::audio/l16;rate=48000;channels=2:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
http-get::audio/l16;rate=44100;channels=1:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
http-get::audio/l16;rate=44100;channels=2:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
http-get::audio/mpeg:DLNA.ORG_PN=MP3
rtsp-rtp-udp::text/xml:DLNA.ORG_PN=DIDL_S
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/vnd.dlna.adts:DLNA.ORG_PN=HEAACv2_L2_320
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/x-ms-wma:DLNA.ORG_PN=WMAFULL
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/x-ms-wma:DLNA.ORG_PN=WMABASE
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/3gpp:DLNA.ORG_PN=HEAACv2_L2_320
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/mp4:DLNA.ORG_PN=HEAACv2_L2_320
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/l16;rate=48000;channels=1:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/l16;rate=48000;channels=2:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/l16;rate=44100;channels=1:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/l16;rate=44100;channels=2:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/mpeg:DLNA.ORG_PN=MP3
http-get::audio/mp4:
http-get::audio/aac:
http-get::audio/wave:
http-get::audio/flac:
http-get::audio/m4a:
http-get::application/ogg:
http-get::audio/wav:
http-get::audio/l16;rate=48000;channels=1:
http-get::audio/l16;rate=48000;channels=2:
http-get::audio/x-m4a:
http-get::audio/x-dsf:
http-get::audio/x-wav:
http-get::audio/mpeg:
http-get::audio/vnd.dlna.adts:
http-get::audio/3gpp:
http-get::audio/aiff:
http-get::audio/x-flac:
http-get::audio/ogg:
http-get::audio/x-ms-wma:
http-get::audio/vorbis:
http-get::text/xml:
http-get::audio/l16;rate=44100;channels=1:
http-get::audio/l16;rate=44100;channels=2:
http-get::audio/x-dff:
http-get::audio/x-aiff:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/mp4:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/aac:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/wave:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/flac:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/m4a:
rtsp-rtp-udp::application/ogg:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/wav:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/l16;rate=48000;channels=1:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/l16;rate=48000;channels=2:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/x-m4a:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/x-dsf:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/x-wav:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/mpeg:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/vnd.dlna.adts:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/3gpp:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/aiff:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/x-flac:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/ogg:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/x-ms-wma:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/vorbis:
rtsp-rtp-udp::text/xml:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/l16;rate=44100;channels=1:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/l16;rate=44100;channels=2:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/x-dff:
rtsp-rtp-udp::audio/x-aiff:
DLNA 1.5: Yes
Gapless playback: Yes
Missing events workaround: Yes
Can play native DSD: Yes
Number of channels: 2
Use as stereo device only: No

1 output streams:
Number of active channels: 2, in 1 stream(s)
Channel #0 :Stream 0 channel 0
Channel #1 :Stream 0 channel 1

Stream ID 0x0 0 channels starting at 0
12 virtual formats:
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 44.1kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 44.1kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 88.2kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 88.2kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 176.4kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 176.4kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 48kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 48kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 96kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 96kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 192kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 192kHz

0 physical formats

Current device transportInfo:
CurrentTransportState: PLAYING
CurrentTransportStatus: OK
CurrentSpeed: 1
Current device MediaInfo:
NrTracks: 1
MediaDuration: 0:04:14
CurrentURI: http://10.0.0.3:49152/audirvana/audio_0_0.mqa.wav
CurrentURIMetadata:

dc:titleR. Strauss: Ein Heldenleben, Op.40, TrV 190 - Der Held</dc:title>
dc:creatorBerliner Philharmoniker</dc:creator>
upnp:artistBerliner Philharmoniker</upnp:artist>
upnp:genre</upnp:genre>
upnp:albumArtURI http://resources.tidal.com/images/ca52ae50/3345/4712/813f/756fa138bfe8/640x640.jpg</upnp:albumArtURI>
upnp:albumStrauss, R.: Ein Heldenleben, Op. 40, TrV 190 / Wagner: Siegfried-Idyll, WWV 103</upnp:album>
upnp:originalTrackNumber1</upnp:originalTrackNumber>
upnp:classobject.item.audioItem.musicTrack</upnp:class>
http://10.0.0.3:49152/audirvana/audio_0_0.mqa.wav

nextURI: http://10.0.0.3:49152/audirvana/audio_1_1.mqa.wav
nextURIMetadata: <DIDL-Lite xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:upnp="urn:schemas-upnp-org:metadata-1-0/upnp/" xmlns="urn:schemas-upnp-org:metadata-1-0/DIDL-Lite/" xmlns:dlna="urn:schemas-dlna-org:metadata-1-0/">

R. Strauss: Ein Heldenleben, Op.40, TrV 190 - Der Held Berliner Philharmoniker Berliner Philharmoniker http://resources.tidal.com/images/ca52ae50/3345/4712/813f/756fa138bfe8/640x640.jpg Strauss, R.: Ein Heldenleben, Op. 40, TrV 190 / Wagner: Siegfried-Idyll, WWV 103 1 object.item.audioItem.musicTrack http://10.0.0.3:49152/audirvana/audio_1_1.mqa.wav

PlayMedium: NETWORK
RecordMedium: NOT_IMPLEMENTED
WriteStatus: NOT_IMPLEMENTED

Current device AVT service description:

<?xml version="1.0"?> 1 0 SetAVTransportURI InstanceID in A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID CurrentURI in AVTransportURI CurrentURIMetaData in AVTransportURIMetaData SetNextAVTransportURI InstanceID in A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID NextURI in NextAVTransportURI NextURIMetaData in NextAVTransportURIMetaData GetMediaInfo InstanceID in A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID NrTracks out NumberOfTracks MediaDuration out CurrentMediaDuration CurrentURI out AVTransportURI CurrentURIMetaData out AVTransportURIMetaData NextURI out NextAVTransportURI NextURIMetaData out NextAVTransportURIMetaData PlayMedium out PlaybackStorageMedium RecordMedium out RecordStorageMedium WriteStatus out RecordMediumWriteStatus GetMediaInfo_Ext InstanceID in A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID CurrentType out CurrentMediaCategory NrTracks out NumberOfTracks MediaDuration out CurrentMediaDuration CurrentURI out AVTransportURI CurrentURIMetaData out AVTransportURIMetaData NextURI out NextAVTransportURI NextURIMetaData out NextAVTransportURIMetaData PlayMedium out PlaybackStorageMedium RecordMedium out RecordStorageMedium WriteStatus out RecordMediumWriteStatus GetTransportInfo InstanceID in A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID CurrentTransportState out TransportState CurrentTransportStatus out TransportStatus CurrentSpeed out TransportPlaySpeed GetCurrentTransportActions InstanceID in A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID Actions out CurrentTransportActions GetPositionInfo InstanceID in A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID Track out CurrentTrack TrackDuration out CurrentTrackDuration TrackMetaData out CurrentTrackMetaData TrackURI out CurrentTrackURI RelTime out RelativeTimePosition AbsTime out AbsoluteTimePosition RelCount out RelativeCounterPosition AbsCount out AbsoluteCounterPosition GetDeviceCapabilities InstanceID in A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID PlayMedia out PossiblePlaybackStorageMedia RecMedia out PossibleRecordStorageMedia RecQualityModes out PossibleRecordQualityModes GetTransportSettings InstanceID in A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID PlayMode out CurrentPlayMode RecQualityMode out CurrentRecordQualityMode Stop InstanceID in A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID Play InstanceID in A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID Speed in TransportPlaySpeed Pause InstanceID in A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID Seek InstanceID in A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID Unit in A_ARG_TYPE_SeekMode Target in A_ARG_TYPE_SeekTarget Next InstanceID in A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID Previous InstanceID in A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID X_DLNA_GetBytePositionInfo InstanceID in A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID TrackSize out X_DLNA_CurrentTrackSize RelByte out X_DLNA_RelativeBytePosition AbsByte out X_DLNA_AbsoluteBytePosition SetPlayMode InstanceID in A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID NewPlayMode in CurrentPlayMode TransportState string STOPPED PAUSED_PLAYBACK PAUSED_RECORDING PLAYING RECORDING TRANSITIONING NO_MEDIA_PRESENT TransportStatus string OK ERROR_OCCURRED CurrentMediaCategory string NO_MEDIA TRACK_AWARE TRACK_UNAWARE CurrentTransportActions string PlaybackStorageMedium string UNKNOWN DV MINI-DV VHS W-VHS S-VHS D-VHS VHSC VIDEO8 HI8 CD-ROM CD-DA CD-R CD-RW VIDEO-CD SACD MD-AUDIO MD-PICTURE DVD-ROM DVD-VIDEO DVD-R DVD+RW DVD-RW DVD-RAM DVD-AUDIO DAT LD HDD MICRO-MV NETWORK NONE NOT_IMPLEMENTED SD PC-CARD MMC CF BD MS HD_DVD RecordStorageMedium string UNKNOWN DV MINI-DV VHS W-VHS S-VHS D-VHS VHSC VIDEO8 HI8 CD-ROM CD-DA CD-R CD-RW VIDEO-CD SACD MD-AUDIO MD-PICTURE DVD-ROM DVD-VIDEO DVD-R DVD+RW DVD-RW DVD-RAM DVD-AUDIO DAT LD HDD MICRO-MV NETWORK NONE NOT_IMPLEMENTED SD PC-CARD MMC CF BD MS HD_DVD PossiblePlaybackStorageMedia string NONE NETWORK PossibleRecordStorageMedia string CurrentPlayMode string NORMAL REPEAT_TRACK REPEAT_ONE REPEAT_ALL NORMAL TransportPlaySpeed string 1 1 RecordMediumWriteStatus string WRITABLE PROTECTED NOT_WRITABLE UNKNOWN NOT_IMPLEMENTED CurrentRecordQualityMode string 0:EP 1:LP 2:SP 0:BASIC 1:MEDIUM 2:HIGH NOT_IMPLEMENTED PossibleRecordQualityModes string NumberOfTracks ui4 0 512 CurrentTrack ui4 0 512 1 CurrentTrackDuration string CurrentMediaDuration string CurrentTrackMetaData string CurrentTrackURI string AVTransportURI string AVTransportURIMetaData string NextAVTransportURI string NextAVTransportURIMetaData string RelativeTimePosition string AbsoluteTimePosition string RelativeCounterPosition i4 AbsoluteCounterPosition i4 LastChange string A_ARG_TYPE_SeekMode string ABS_TIME REL_TIME TRACK_NR ABS_COUNT REL_COUNT X_DLNA_REL_BYTE A_ARG_TYPE_SeekTarget string A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID ui4 X_DLNA_RelativeBytePosition string X_DLNA_AbsoluteBytePosition string X_DLNA_CurrentTrackSize string

Current device RootDevice description:

<?xml version="1.0"?> 1 0 QPlay:2.1 urn:schemas-upnp-org:device:MediaRenderer:1 Stereo room speaker Harman Luxury Audio http://www.arcam.co.uk/ ARCAM SA30 http://www.arcam.co.uk/ 50236f78-e639-470c-8d27-cde20aa67c2f uuid:01e7c5cc-dde0-4813-8668-2b215e0ac87c image/png 120 120 24 /LibRygelRenderer-120x120x24.png image/png 48 48 24 /LibRygelRenderer-48x48x24.png image/jpeg 120 120 24 /LibRygelRenderer-120x120x24.jpg image/jpeg 48 48 24 /LibRygelRenderer-48x48x24.jpg urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ConnectionManager:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:ConnectionManager /xml/ConnectionManager.xml /Control/LibRygelRenderer/RygelSinkConnectionManager /Event/LibRygelRenderer/RygelSinkConnectionManager urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:AVTransport:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:AVTransport /xml/AVTransport2.xml /Control/LibRygelRenderer/RygelAVTransport /Event/LibRygelRenderer/RygelAVTransport urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:RenderingControl:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:RenderingControl /xml/RenderingControl2.xml /Control/LibRygelRenderer/RygelRenderingControl /Event/LibRygelRenderer/RygelRenderingControl urn:schemas-tencent-com:service:QPlay:1 urn:tencent-com:serviceId:QPlay /xml/QPlayDescription.xml /Control/LibRygelRenderer/QPlay /Event/LibRygelRenderer/QPlay http://10.0.0.5:80/ DMR-1.51 5000 "Stimuli;Filtering"

UPnP devices found : 4
Device #0: ID 0x0 Arcam 58ff68 UID: uuid:3dcc7100-f76c-11dd-87af-00226158ff68 Location: http://10.0.0.18:8080/dd.xml
Device #1: ID 0x0 Stereo room speaker UID: uuid:01e7c5cc-dde0-4813-8668-2b215e0ac87c Location: http://10.0.0.5:40463/01e7c5cc-dde0-4813-8668-2b215e0ac87c.xml
Device #2: ID 0x0 TMM RVU Client MediaRenderer UID: uuid:MediaRenderer-70_5A_9E_2A_43_43 Location: http://169.254.5.112:63445/upnp/xml/devices/MediaRenderer1.xml
Device #3: ID 0x0 TMM RVU Client MediaRenderer UID: uuid:MediaRenderer-CC_03_FA_F3_A0_DA Location: http://169.254.12.147:63445/upnp/xml/devices/MediaRenderer1.xml

CoreAudio audio path, buffer I/O frame size: 0

Max. memory for audio buffers: 5120MB

Local Audio Engine:
Exclusive access: Enabled
Integer mode: Enabled

Local devices found : 1
Device #0: ID 0x30 Built-in Output Manufacturer: Apple Inc. Model UID: AppleHDA:93 UID: AppleHDAEngineOutput:1B,0,1,1:0

Antoine · September 11, 2020, 12:24pm

So you set your Arcam as Decoder, MQA is not automatically detectable over UPnP, this is why you need to set it manually, when you play a MQA file in Audirvana, does your Arcam detect it?

kenkirk · September 11, 2020, 12:31pm

Yes I set the Arcam SA 30 as a MQA decoder. Audirvana shows the track from Tidal as a MQA, blue dot, 24/192 etc, but on the right side of the screen at output it shows 24/48 and that is what the Arcam shows. The Arcam receives the track name information and plays the track, but at 24/48 and no MQA.

Antoine · September 11, 2020, 1:49pm

You need to contact Arcam about it because this means your DAC do not detect MQA content over UPnP. This is what Audirvana send to your device:

http://10.0.0.3:49152/audirvana/audio_0_0.mqa.wav

kenkirk · September 11, 2020, 2:03pm

It works perfect with Roon. Is Roon set up differently??

Antoine · September 11, 2020, 2:04pm

Roon is not using UPnP, they use a proprietary protocol that is very similar to it but it’s not UPnP.

kenkirk · September 11, 2020, 2:05pm

ok, thanks! I will contact Arcam support.

Ken

maciekb · September 24, 2020, 3:25pm

Arcam SA30 supports MQA via uPnP when using mConnect as a controller on an Android phone. Of course, Arcam displays correct information about parameters of MQA stream. Unfortunately, Audirvana behaves as if the device does not support MQA at all.

Best regards,
Maciej

Antoine · September 25, 2020, 7:00am

Hello @maciekb, you need to change the MQA settings in the audio output settings to MQA Decoder so Audirvana can send to your SA30 the MQA stream directly.

system · October 5, 2021, 7:00am

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