Audirvana Studio and cross talk filters

While Ubacch works fine with JRiver 33, I continue to have problems when I attempt to use it with Audirvana Studio. My server is a miniPC running Windows 11 Pro with either: 1) USB out directly to a Bricasti M3 or 2) connected to a Matrix X-Spdif 3 converter and then AES into the Bricasti, but when I try to use the Ubacch filter, Audirvana crashes immediately. If, however, I use Upnp connected to the ethernet input on the Bricasti, Ubacch seems to work or at least does not cause Audirvana to crash. I have tried to use the work around with VPlayer 4 recommeded by Ubacch ,but that hasn’t worked either.

I have tried using the VST 3 plug-in cross talk filter from Home Audio Fidelity (X-talk Shaper) and that works perfectly with USB direct, USB to AES converter, and UpNP. Why can’t Bacch and Audirvana figure out a solution?

This thread is relevant…

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Thanks for your response. I read through the earlier discussion before posting and know that Real Time must be enabled so that is not the issue.

The plug-in module is relatively un-biased… The issue you are describing seems specific to the platform capabilities and your USB transmission scheme … There has been dialog between the UBACC team and the Audirvāna team… However, I suggest simplifying your transmission scheme to find a baseline operational state in the context of Audirvāna.

Please paste your debug information report here so folks can help the best possible… it is found here: Settings → My Account → Help → Debug info

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Here is the debug info. Audirvana crashes even with a direct usb connection to the Bricasti bypassing the Spdif conversion. If I don’t use the Ubacch filter everything works fine.

Audirvana Studio 2.9.5 (20905)

Windows 11 (26100) x86_64 with 16GB physical RAM

Connected account of : Howard Kaye

NETWORK
Status: available
Available network interfaces:
Ethernet 2 ({cd6c0f35-51d1-4259-ae84-87c3acaa6b02}) is private
Fios-Q79IB ({a41f47c6-8955-4c5b-a542-7772d996e9cc}) is private
Windows Defender Firewall status for this instance of Audirvana Studio
Active profile types: all
Private profile:
Firewall: enabled
Inbound: allowed
Outbound: allowed
Notifications: enabled
Public profile:
Firewall: enabled
Inbound: blocked
Outbound: allowed
Notifications: enabled

SIGNAL PROCESSING:

Polarity Inversion:
	Globally: OFF
	Per track: ON
Effects plugins ACTIVE in realtime mode
	VST3 plugin #0: C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3\Contents\x86_64-win\HLConvolver.vst3
		ClassID: ABCDEF019182FAEB4D616E754F6E6765
	VST3 plugin #1: C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3\BACCH Laboratories\uBACCHaudio.vst3
		ClassID: ABCDEF019182FAEB4241434855626163
	VST3 plugin #2: None
	VST3 plugin #3: None

UPSAMPLING:
r8brain custom frequencies
44100Hz → 88200Hz
48000Hz → 96000Hz
88200Hz → 176400Hz
96000Hz → 192000Hz
r8brain filter parameters
Bandwidth = 99.5%
Stop band attenuation 218dB
Phase minimum phase

AUDIO VOLUME:
Max allowed volume: 100
Replay Gain: None
SW volume control: OFF

LIBRARY SETTINGS:
Sync list: 1 folders
AUTO: C:\Users\howar\Music
Sort and display order: en_US
Library database path: C:\Users\howar\AppData\Local\Packages\Audirvana.Audirvana-4118-9684-d80dbb7827cd_q3nymrkmej12j\LocalCache\Local\Audirvana\Audirvana\AudirvanaDatabase.sqlite

Local audio files fingerprinting
Tracks with no MBID: 874

Remote Control server:
Listening on 2600:4040:7c70:5c00:afda:ef6a:b70f:1716 on port 65379

ACTIVE STREAMING SERVICES
Qobuz: Connected as Qobuz Studio

APPEARANCE SETTINGS:
UI theme: dark
Font size: regular
Language: System language
Show album covers in tracks list: yes
Source list sorted:
My Music
Radios
Podcasts
Streaming
Local
Startup view: My Music: Albums
Show local extended in source list: no
Use media keys: yes
Use media keys for volume control: yes
Use legacy Bonjour protocol: no
Number of paired remotes: 2
Remote pairing code required: yes
Screen saver disabled: no

=================== AUDIO DEVICE ========================

Active method: Local

Max. memory for audio buffers: 8192MB

Local Audio Engine: ASIO 2
Driver version 1106
Use max I/O buffer size: ON

Preferred device:
AeVee USB Audio Device
Model UID:AeVee USB Audio Device
UID:AeVee USB Audio Device

Active Sample Rate: 192kHz

Bridge settings:
Sample rate limitation: 384kHz
Sample rate switching latency: none
Limit bitdepth to 24bit: OFF
Mute during sample rate change: OFF

Selected device:AeVee USB Audio Device
Manufacturer:
Model name: AeVee USB Audio Device
Model UID: AeVee USB Audio Device
UID: AeVee USB Audio Device

14 available sample rates up to 22579200Hz
44100
48000
88200
96000
176400
192000
352800
384000
705600
768000
2822400
5644800
11289600
22579200

Volume Control
Physical: No
Virtual: No
Max volume alert: Enabled

MQA capability
Auto-detect MQA devices: No
Not automatically detected, user set to not MQA

DSD capability
Raw DSD (msb)

Device audio channels
Preferred stereo channels L:0 R:1
Channel bitmap: Ox3, layout:
Channel 0 mapped to 0
Channel 1 mapped to 1

Audio channels in use
Number of channels: 2
Use as stereo device only: No
Simple stereo device: Yes

1 output streams:
Number of active channels: 2, in 1 stream(s)
Channel #0 :Stream 0 channel 0
Channel #1 :Stream 0 channel 1
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 44.1kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 48kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 88.2kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 96kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 176.4kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 192kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 352.8kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 384kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 705.6kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 768kHz
2 ch DSD 8bit big endian in 8bit chunk 2822.4kHz
2 ch DSD 8bit big endian in 8bit chunk 5644.8kHz
2 ch DSD 8bit big endian in 8bit chunk 11289.6kHz
2 ch DSD 8bit big endian in 8bit chunk 22579.2kHz

Local devices found : 5
Device #0: AeVee USB Audio Device
Manufacturer:
Model UID: AeVee USB Audio Device
UID: AeVee USB Audio Device
Model name: AeVee USB Audio Device
Device #1: ASIO4ALL v2
Manufacturer:
Model UID: ASIO4ALL v2
UID: ASIO4ALL v2
Model name: ASIO4ALL v2
Device #2: JRiver Media Center 32
Manufacturer:
Model UID: JRiver Media Center 32
UID: JRiver Media Center 32
Model name: JRiver Media Center 32
Device #3: JRiver Media Center 33
Manufacturer:
Model UID: JRiver Media Center 33
UID: JRiver Media Center 33
Model name: JRiver Media Center 33
Device #4: Matrix ASIO Driver
Manufacturer:
Model UID: Matrix ASIO Driver
UID: Matrix ASIO Driver
Model name: Matrix ASIO Driver

UPnP

UPnP network interface
Available Network interfaces:
Ethernet 2
Wi-Fi

UPnP devices found : 2
Device #0: UBP-X800M2
UID: uuid:00000000-0000-1010-8000-94db561a7c5e
Location: http://192.168.1.251:52323/dmr.xml
Manufacturer: Sony Corporation
Model name: UBP-X800M2
Device #1: M3
UID: uuid:f1c6eb6f-4e48-eb34-ab40-98f07b43f13b
Location: http://192.168.1.157:49152/description.xml
Manufacturer: Bricasti
Model name: M3

Chromecast

Chromecast devices found : 2
Device #0: XBR-55A9G
ID: DnsSd#BRAVIA-4K-UR2-3601e52d93133469da3ece577112af18._googlecast._tcp.local#0
Model name: BRAVIA 4K UR2
Device #1: Master Bedroom TV
ID: DnsSd#BRAVIA-4K-VH21-44a2521052484ff62ec75431e2014bbe._googlecast._tcp.local#0
Model name: BRAVIA 4K VH21

First, I suggest using ‘Power of Two’ up-sampling of PCM files, however, in the case of the UBACC filter implementation, try using this without up-sampling enabled to get a base line operational state on you computer platform configuration.

Second, you are using approximately 50% of your System RAM for playback pre-load memory buffer… I suggest reducing this to 2GB to see if you get a stable operational condition and then incrementally increase from there, you could start at 1GB and incrementally increase the allocation to fine-tune the performance of Audirvāna to your playback scenario…

Remove JRiver Media Center as this is competing with Audirvāna for core audio system API’s and remove any other plug-ins that you are applying in concert with UBACC,

I don’t know why you are not just using USB for input rather than converting to S/PDIF…?

A very clean playback scenario is going to give you the best place to start adding plug-ins… If your playback system does not function well in a simple configuration, there is no reason to believe it will function under more complex operational states…

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You also might try SoX upsampling over r8brain. In my setup r8brain causes issues.

I have followed your suggestions along with those of Amarok1969 but to no avail. Even when Ubacch is the only vst 3 used and no convolution or upsampling, Audirvana crashes. X-talk shaper works perfectly with upsampling and convolution. JRiver also handles convolution and Ubacch perfectly, but I was hoping to use Audirvana in the future.

I see that you have the HLConvolver… Have you by chance tried the crosstalk filters that Mitch provides as examples??? Just my curiosity kicking in… I also wonder if you have tried the Ubacch plugin just using the HLHost on your system???

Interesting…

The configuration setting ‘Use as stereo device only:’ has been brought up previously in the context of u-BACCH…

It looks like you have some crazy interface configurations utilizing ASIO4ALL v2 and Matrix ASIO Driver, that can be playing into this behavior you are experiencing… I’m not familiar with the ASIO 2 driver… It does not seem that you have simplified your system to a basic I/O configuration…

I believe there are Windows/Audirvāna users that employ u-BACCH relatively successfully… My primary platform expertise is Apple macOS-centric.

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