Crackle noise

moneypit · August 19, 2024, 7:26pm

I am getting a crackle noise L/R channels. Seems like only in the higher Freq. Just notice this on a DSD album
MacOS
MP

RunHomeSlow · August 19, 2024, 7:45pm

And if you turn off Volume levelling?

Also if i was you i’ll update my macOS system to latest…

moneypit · August 19, 2024, 8:22pm

I try anything if I have a good reason. Why turn if off?
I got volume issues as it is. 250 WPC amp with 125 WPC speakers. Sometimes I have to push 70 on the volume bar to get a good volume, not loud. That I totally don’t understand.

RunHomeSlow · August 19, 2024, 8:32pm

Not an expert on that, but ain’t DSD have to be played at 100% Volume ?

moneypit · August 19, 2024, 8:51pm

I have no idea.
If I did turn it up to 100% if would be to loud.
Trying to figure out where I live in this digital world of audio.
Iv’e got good back end equipment. This front end stuff is a nightmare.
Thanks for your input.

RunHomeSlow · August 19, 2024, 9:02pm

my DAC has a volume control and a remote,
so i don’t use the volume control in Audirvana

moneypit · August 19, 2024, 9:23pm

Interesting, mine work in unison. Using a remote I can volume up, playback, or stop current track from playing.

RunHomeSlow · August 19, 2024, 9:29pm

i think mine is like a preamp dac thing, so it has a volume control ??
Wyred 4 Sound DAC 2 DSDse

moneypit · August 19, 2024, 10:09pm

The DAC is built in on the Hegal 390. It’s a good DAC. Has ethernet and USB. Needs a streamer for the USB for the higher Res. playback.

Agoldnear · August 20, 2024, 12:12am

Deactivate Volume leveling as @RunHomeSlow suggests and Volume Control…
What you are probably getting are ISP’s (Inter Sample Peaks) that precipitate clipping distortion related to the Normalization process of volume leveling… Use your amp’s volume control…

Please paste your debug information here so folks can help the best possible… It is found here: Settings → My Account → Help → Debug info

reddog1 · August 20, 2024, 10:14am

I use volume levelling, but no software volume control… never a clipping issue.

moneypit · August 20, 2024, 12:29pm

Audirvana Origin 2.5.13 (20513)

macOS 14.6.1 with 8GB physical RAM

Connected account of :

NETWORK
Status: available

SIGNAL PROCESSING:

Polarity Inversion:
	Globally: OFF
	Per track: ON
Effects plugins NOT ACTIVE

UPSAMPLING:
r8brain not in use
r8brain filter parameters
Bandwidth = 99.5%
Stop band attenuation 218dB
Phase linear

AUDIO VOLUME:
Max allowed volume: 100
Replay Gain: by track
SW volume control: OFF

LIBRARY SETTINGS:
Sync list: 5 folders
AUTO: /Volumes/2xDSD_MUSIC/
AUTO: /Volumes/16BIT_MUSIC/
AUTO: /Volumes/24BIT_MUSIC/
AUTO: /Volumes/DSD_MUSIC/
AUTO: /Volumes/U16BIT_MUSIC/
iTunes/Music library synchronization: not synchronized
Library database path: /Users/masonsmacmini/Library/Application Support/Audirvana/AudirvanaDatabase.sqlite

Remote Control server:
Listening on 127.0.0.1 on port 56263

APPEARANCE SETTINGS:
UI theme: dark
Font size: regular
Language: English
Show album covers in tracks list: yes
Source list sorted:
My Music
Library
Startup view: Library: Albums
Show local extended in source list: yes
Use media keys: yes
Use media keys for volume control: yes
Use Apple Remote: yes
Number of paired remotes: 0
Remote pairing code required: yes
Screen saver disabled: no

=================== AUDIO DEVICE ========================

Active method: UPnP

Preferred device: [UPnP] H390D44134 Model UID:Hegel H390 UID:uuid:1ca16aa2-1dd2-11b2-9010-4d0e2579d3da

Currently playing to UPnP device at 24 bits 44.1kHz
Selected device:H390D44134
Manufacturer: Hegel
Model name: H390
Model UID: Hegel H390
UID: uuid:1ca16aa2-1dd2-11b2-9010-4d0e2579d3da
UPnP device at http://192.168.10.128:38400/description.xml
ID 0x0

6 available sample rates up to 192000Hz
44100
48000
88200
96000
176400
192000

Volume control: Yes
Max volume alert: Enabled

MQA capability
Auto-detect MQA devices: Yes
Not automatically detected, user set to not MQA

DSD capability
Unhandled (PCM conversion) with boost gain of 6dB

Device audio channels
Preferred stereo channels L:0 R:1
Channel bitmap: Ox3, layout:
Channel 0 mapped to 0
Channel 1 mapped to 1

UPnP set capabilities
Maximum PCM frequency set: 192000Hz
Maximum PCM bitdepth set: 24
Not native DSD capable
Avoid RAW PCM streams: No
Unwanted playback stop workaround: No

UPnP / DLNA supported protocols :
http-get::audio/L16;rate=44100;channels=1:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
http-get::audio/L16;rate=44100;channels=2:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
http-get::audio/L16;rate=48000;channels=1:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
http-get::audio/L16;rate=48000;channels=2:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
http-get::audio/mpeg:DLNA.ORG_PN=MP3
http-get::audio/x-ms-wma:DLNA.ORG_PN=WMABASE
http-get::audio/x-ms-wma:DLNA.ORG_PN=WMAFULL
http-get::audio/x-ms-wma:DLNA.ORG_PN=WMAPRO
http-get::audio/mp4:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ISO
http-get::audio/3gpp:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ISO
http-get::audio/mp4:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ISO_320
http-get::audio/3gpp:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ISO_320
http-get::audio/vnd.dlna.adts:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ADTS
http-get::audio/vnd.dlna.adts:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ADTS_320
http-get::audio/flac:
http-get::audio/x-flac:
http-get::audio/wav:
http-get::audio/x-wav:
http-get::application/ogg:
DLNA 1.5: Yes
Native Gapless playback: No
Universal Gapless playback active: No
Missing events workaround: No
Can play native DSD: No
Volume Control: scalar
Number of channels: 2
Use as stereo device only: No

1 output streams:
Number of active channels: 2, in 1 stream(s)
Channel #0 :Stream 0 channel 0
Channel #1 :Stream 0 channel 1

Stream ID 0x0 0 channels starting at 0
14 virtual formats:
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 big endian Signed Integer 44.1kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 big endian Signed Integer 48kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 44.1kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 44.1kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 88.2kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 88.2kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 176.4kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 176.4kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 48kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 48kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 96kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 96kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 192kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 192kHz finite length

0 physical formats

Current device transportInfo:
CurrentTransportState: PLAYING
CurrentTransportStatus: OK
CurrentSpeed: 1

Current device MediaInfo:
NrTracks: 1
MediaDuration: 0:03:36.000
CurrentURI: http://192.168.10.118:49152/audirvana/audio_f_35.wav
CurrentURIMetadata:

dc:titleShe Hates Me</dc:title>
dc:creatorPuddle Of Mudd</dc:creator>
upnp:artistPuddle Of Mudd</upnp:artist>
<upnp:author role=“Composer”>Jimmy Stewart</upnp:author>
upnp:genreRock</upnp:genre>
upnp:albumArtURI http://192.168.10.118:49152/audirvana/artwork_0_35.jpg</upnp:albumArtURI>
upnp:albumCome Clean</upnp:album>
upnp:originalTrackNumber6</upnp:originalTrackNumber>
upnp:classobject.item.audioItem.musicTrack</upnp:class>
http://192.168.10.118:49152/audirvana/audio_f_35.wav

nextURI: 
nextURIMetadata: 
PlayMedium: NETWORK
RecordMedium: NOT_IMPLEMENTED
WriteStatus: NOT_IMPLEMENTED

Current transport actions:
Pause,Stop,Seek,X_DLNA_SeekTime

Current device AVT service description:

<?xml version="1.0"?> 1 0 DMR-1.50 urn:schemas-upnp-org:device:MediaRenderer:1 H390D44134 Hegel http://www.hegel.com H390 H390 1.0 http://www.hegel.com uuid:1ca16aa2-1dd2-11b2-9010-4d0e2579d3da http://192.168.10.128 urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:RenderingControl:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:RenderingControl /RenderingControl.xml /RenderingControl /RenderingControl/eventSub urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:AVTransport:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:AVTransport /AVTransport.xml /AVTransport /AVTransport/eventSub urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ConnectionManager:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:ConnectionManager /ConnectionManager.xml /ConnectionManager /ConnectionManager/eventSub http://192.168.10.128:38400

Current device RootDevice description:

<?xml version="1.0"?> 1 0 DMR-1.50 urn:schemas-upnp-org:device:MediaRenderer:1 H390D44134 Hegel http://www.hegel.com H390 H390 1.0 http://www.hegel.com uuid:1ca16aa2-1dd2-11b2-9010-4d0e2579d3da http://192.168.10.128 urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:RenderingControl:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:RenderingControl /RenderingControl.xml /RenderingControl /RenderingControl/eventSub urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:AVTransport:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:AVTransport /AVTransport.xml /AVTransport /AVTransport/eventSub urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ConnectionManager:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:ConnectionManager /ConnectionManager.xml /ConnectionManager /ConnectionManager/eventSub http://192.168.10.128:38400

UPnP devices found : 1
Device #0: ID 0x0 : H390D44134
UID: uuid:1ca16aa2-1dd2-11b2-9010-4d0e2579d3da
Location: http://192.168.10.128:38400/description.xml
Manufacturer: Hegel
Model name: H390

Local

Max. memory for audio buffers: 5120MB

Local Audio Engine: CoreAudio
Actual I/O buffer frame size: 0

Local devices found : 2
Device #0: ID 0x32 LG FULL HD
Manufacturer: GSM
Model UID: 1E6D555B-0000-0000-011A-010380301B78
UID: 1E6D555B-0000-0000-011A-010380301B78
Model name: GSM LG FULL HD
Device #1: ID 0x58 Mac mini Speakers
Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
Model UID: Speaker
UID: BuiltInSpeakerDevice
Model name: Apple Inc. Mac mini Speakers

Chromecast

Chromecast devices found : 0

Agoldnear · August 20, 2024, 1:57pm

Are you using volume leveling in the context of DSD playback where the DAC does not support DSD and all DSD files are being down-converted/decimated to PCM 24/176.4kHz?

Agoldnear · August 20, 2024, 2:03pm

So what happens when you deactivate volume leveling when playing DSD files?

reddog1 · August 20, 2024, 2:22pm

No.

Ddude003 · August 20, 2024, 4:27pm

Wondering about the physical layout of the network between the player host, an Apple computer running Audirvana and the UPNP device the Hegel H390… Wifi or Ethernet, routers, bridges, modems, etc?

Could this be from packet loss/retry across the network?

Also if I am reading this correctly, out of 8GB of RAM you are allocating ~5GB for audio buffers? Mabe try 1GB or 2GB for the buffers…

Agoldnear · August 20, 2024, 7:27pm

The lack of available System RAM as you point out, in concert with the decimation processing of DSD → PCM 24/176.4kHz and the normalization processing (volume leveling) on the result of the DSD decimation process, which adds 6dB of gain as seen here in the debug report:

moneypit · August 20, 2024, 7:40pm

Mac to the router, static IP for H390. NAS is home for the music files. All ethernet connections. Cat 6 cable.

moneypit · August 20, 2024, 7:50pm

So I lower the buffer to 2 GB. Took out volume control. This is what I got.
I do really appreciate all the help.

Audirvana Origin 2.5.13 (20513)

macOS 14.6.1 with 8GB physical RAM

Connected account of :

NETWORK
Status: available

SIGNAL PROCESSING:

Polarity Inversion:
	Globally: OFF
	Per track: ON
Effects plugins NOT ACTIVE

UPSAMPLING:
r8brain not in use
r8brain filter parameters
Bandwidth = 99.5%
Stop band attenuation 218dB
Phase linear

AUDIO VOLUME:
Max allowed volume: 100
Replay Gain: None
SW volume control: OFF

LIBRARY SETTINGS:
Sync list: 5 folders
AUTO: /Volumes/2xDSD_MUSIC/
AUTO: /Volumes/16BIT_MUSIC/
AUTO: /Volumes/24BIT_MUSIC/
AUTO: /Volumes/DSD_MUSIC/
AUTO: /Volumes/U16BIT_MUSIC/
iTunes/Music library synchronization: not synchronized
Library database path: /Users/masonsmacmini/Library/Application Support/Audirvana/AudirvanaDatabase.sqlite

Remote Control server:
Listening on 127.0.0.1 on port 56263

APPEARANCE SETTINGS:
UI theme: dark
Font size: regular
Language: English
Show album covers in tracks list: yes
Source list sorted:
My Music
Library
Startup view: Library: Albums
Show local extended in source list: yes
Use media keys: yes
Use media keys for volume control: yes
Use Apple Remote: yes
Number of paired remotes: 0
Remote pairing code required: yes
Screen saver disabled: no

=================== AUDIO DEVICE ========================

Active method: UPnP

Preferred device: [UPnP] H390D44134 Model UID:Hegel H390 UID:uuid:1ca16aa2-1dd2-11b2-9010-4d0e2579d3da

Currently playing to UPnP device at 24 bits 176.4kHz
Selected device:H390D44134
Manufacturer: Hegel
Model name: H390
Model UID: Hegel H390
UID: uuid:1ca16aa2-1dd2-11b2-9010-4d0e2579d3da
UPnP device at http://192.168.10.128:38400/description.xml
ID 0x0

6 available sample rates up to 192000Hz
44100
48000
88200
96000
176400
192000

Volume control: Yes
Max volume alert: Enabled

MQA capability
Auto-detect MQA devices: Yes
Not automatically detected, user set to not MQA

DSD capability
Unhandled (PCM conversion) with boost gain of 6dB

Device audio channels
Preferred stereo channels L:0 R:1
Channel bitmap: Ox3, layout:
Channel 0 mapped to 0
Channel 1 mapped to 1

UPnP set capabilities
Maximum PCM frequency set: 192000Hz
Maximum PCM bitdepth set: 24
Not native DSD capable
Avoid RAW PCM streams: No
Unwanted playback stop workaround: No

UPnP / DLNA supported protocols :
http-get::audio/L16;rate=44100;channels=1:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
http-get::audio/L16;rate=44100;channels=2:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
http-get::audio/L16;rate=48000;channels=1:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
http-get::audio/L16;rate=48000;channels=2:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
http-get::audio/mpeg:DLNA.ORG_PN=MP3
http-get::audio/x-ms-wma:DLNA.ORG_PN=WMABASE
http-get::audio/x-ms-wma:DLNA.ORG_PN=WMAFULL
http-get::audio/x-ms-wma:DLNA.ORG_PN=WMAPRO
http-get::audio/mp4:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ISO
http-get::audio/3gpp:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ISO
http-get::audio/mp4:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ISO_320
http-get::audio/3gpp:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ISO_320
http-get::audio/vnd.dlna.adts:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ADTS
http-get::audio/vnd.dlna.adts:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ADTS_320
http-get::audio/flac:
http-get::audio/x-flac:
http-get::audio/wav:
http-get::audio/x-wav:
http-get::application/ogg:
DLNA 1.5: Yes
Native Gapless playback: No
Universal Gapless playback active: No
Missing events workaround: No
Can play native DSD: No
Volume Control: scalar
Number of channels: 2
Use as stereo device only: No

1 output streams:
Number of active channels: 2, in 1 stream(s)
Channel #0 :Stream 0 channel 0
Channel #1 :Stream 0 channel 1

Stream ID 0x0 0 channels starting at 0
14 virtual formats:
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 big endian Signed Integer 44.1kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 big endian Signed Integer 48kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 44.1kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 44.1kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 88.2kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 88.2kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 176.4kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 176.4kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 48kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 48kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 96kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 96kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 192kHz finite length
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 192kHz finite length

0 physical formats

Current device transportInfo:
CurrentTransportState: PLAYING
CurrentTransportStatus: OK
CurrentSpeed: 1

Current device MediaInfo:
NrTracks: 1
MediaDuration: 0:04:29.000
CurrentURI: http://192.168.10.118:49152/audirvana/audio_f_74.wav
CurrentURIMetadata:

dc:titleAiregin</dc:title>
dc:creatorWes Montgomery</dc:creator>
upnp:artistWes Montgomery</upnp:artist>
upnp:genreJazz</upnp:genre>
upnp:albumArtURI http://192.168.10.118:49152/audirvana/artwork_0_74.jpg</upnp:albumArtURI>
upnp:albumThe Incredible Guitar of Wes Montgomery [DSD]</upnp:album>
upnp:originalTrackNumber1</upnp:originalTrackNumber>
upnp:classobject.item.audioItem.musicTrack</upnp:class>
http://192.168.10.118:49152/audirvana/audio_f_74.wav

nextURI: 
nextURIMetadata: 
PlayMedium: NETWORK
RecordMedium: NOT_IMPLEMENTED
WriteStatus: NOT_IMPLEMENTED

Current transport actions:
Pause,Stop,Seek,X_DLNA_SeekTime

Current device AVT service description:

<?xml version="1.0"?> 1 0 DMR-1.50 urn:schemas-upnp-org:device:MediaRenderer:1 H390D44134 Hegel http://www.hegel.com H390 H390 1.0 http://www.hegel.com uuid:1ca16aa2-1dd2-11b2-9010-4d0e2579d3da http://192.168.10.128 urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:RenderingControl:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:RenderingControl /RenderingControl.xml /RenderingControl /RenderingControl/eventSub urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:AVTransport:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:AVTransport /AVTransport.xml /AVTransport /AVTransport/eventSub urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ConnectionManager:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:ConnectionManager /ConnectionManager.xml /ConnectionManager /ConnectionManager/eventSub http://192.168.10.128:38400

Current device RootDevice description:

<?xml version="1.0"?> 1 0 DMR-1.50 urn:schemas-upnp-org:device:MediaRenderer:1 H390D44134 Hegel http://www.hegel.com H390 H390 1.0 http://www.hegel.com uuid:1ca16aa2-1dd2-11b2-9010-4d0e2579d3da http://192.168.10.128 urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:RenderingControl:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:RenderingControl /RenderingControl.xml /RenderingControl /RenderingControl/eventSub urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:AVTransport:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:AVTransport /AVTransport.xml /AVTransport /AVTransport/eventSub urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ConnectionManager:1 urn:upnp-org:serviceId:ConnectionManager /ConnectionManager.xml /ConnectionManager /ConnectionManager/eventSub http://192.168.10.128:38400

UPnP devices found : 1
Device #0: ID 0x0 : H390D44134
UID: uuid:1ca16aa2-1dd2-11b2-9010-4d0e2579d3da
Location: http://192.168.10.128:38400/description.xml
Manufacturer: Hegel
Model name: H390

Local

Max. memory for audio buffers: 2018MB

Local Audio Engine: CoreAudio
Actual I/O buffer frame size: 0

Local devices found : 2
Device #0: ID 0x32 LG FULL HD
Manufacturer: GSM
Model UID: 1E6D555B-0000-0000-011A-010380301B78
UID: 1E6D555B-0000-0000-011A-010380301B78
Model name: GSM LG FULL HD
Device #1: ID 0x58 Mac mini Speakers
Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
Model UID: Speaker
UID: BuiltInSpeakerDevice
Model name: Apple Inc. Mac mini Speakers

Chromecast

Chromecast devices found : 0

RunHomeSlow · August 20, 2024, 7:53pm

Can you try playing with those prefs? or this is why maybe you have sound between songs