Parametric EQ in Audirvana upcoming release or alternative

Nothing will matter.
You won’t be able to hear what you can’t hear.
The human body, whilst not yet dead, WILL decay. This is true for all faculties we posess, like it or not. Subtly or catastrophically.
As I’ve said, if you’re happy with what you CAN hear, then all’s good.
You don’t have to be an ‘audiophile’ to appreciate that that gives you pleasure.
In my opinion.

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But but………The ramifications :man_shrugging:t2:

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I don’t believe that you prefer your TV speakers to your music playback system… If you made the choice, you are an audiophile… Given the choice of listening to music on my TV speakers versus my Audirvāna playback system… I’ll choose the latter, until the point of diminishing returns… Can I survive without either…?. Yes… I can make my own music and be in a state of blissful equanimity… don’t need to fill my head with the works of others… although they can be entertaining… All things must pass…

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And what if your playback system includes both your stereo kit and your “TV” system???
Anyone else have both integrated together??? Surprise… I do…

Ever heard of an Ultra Short Throw Projector??? How about 100" to 130" UST/UHD screens… Yuck TVs… LOL…

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Partner with a nice convolution engine OEM for room correction DSP as well as several nice mastering EQ OEM’s…

How did I know that some wise-guy would reframe the context…? :roll_eyes:

I was a THX certified installer… Installing Vidikron projectors and 100" screens in custom personal home theaters, complete with lounge seating, acoustics, tactile subs, etc, etc… :smirk:

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It is sometimes hard to recall that the initial subject of this post was “Parametric EQ in Audirvana upcoming release or alternative” :wink:

Personnaly, I’d like to hear from Audirvana @Antoine @Damien how many users did the test, what feedback they got and what are the plans for this useful and nice EQ feature.

… All that will really matters is your input and whether or not the EQ is implemented, because it will be implemented or not implemented… If soliciting for specific use scenarios, it should be clearly outlined by the team. I trust the judgement of the development team.

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Well, I am one of the users. It’s a simple 10 bands equalizer. I use the Windows version. Stable and light on resources. I use it to add more sub- bass (“body” bass - raising on 21 Hz, 35 Hz, 60 Hz), more presence and a little bit of high frequencies. I like the sound obtained. Permanently activated. Thank you Audirvana.

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You might want to lobby for this plug-in for use in room-centric playback systems architectures, where Mitch and Thierry are contributors here on the Community forum:

An Audiophile Style article posted by Mitch “Mitchco” Barnett

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I remember reading about Home Audio Fidelity a few years ago… It seems like one of a number of ways to go with Digital Room Correction… I chose Mitches Hang Loose Convolver and make my own FIR filters using REW…

I am not lobbying for anything… I was only suggesting that TPTB at Audirvana consider partnering with a nice Convolver OEM and EQ OEM… Or even post a handy list of VST DRC & EQ products that are comparable with Audirvana…

It’s only a guess on my part, but I’m thinking that if Audirvana has put out its own EQ, partnering may not be in the cards. The second suggestion seems eminently reasonable and could have great value IMO. Perhaps even allow folks like Mitch to post permanent tutorials on how to use their products with Audirvana, a software parallel to the “Plays with Audirvana” hardware series?

I would highly suggest that one would use a convolution solution for device/room correction… After, of course, some physical bass and wide-band absorbers… State of the Art for room/device correction is a Convolution + FIR filters solution…

Apparently Room Shaper is a better approach than physical bass, low-mid, mid energy management and maybe a be used in concert with physical energy management… The levels of energy reduction in comparison to physical management schemes is far more effective and the implementation of physical management would be cost prohibitive for the average audiophile to employ in terms of monetary and physical space/placement, aesthetics, etc, investments.

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Please… Convolution, a fundamental operation in signal processing, can be performed in both the time and frequency domains… As Mitch puts it… If we think of a FIR filter as a graphic equalizer we actually get 32,768 sliders… To cover 20Hz to 20kHz… You do the math… Home Audio Fidelity’s Room Shaper focuses mostly on the Time domain… And other tools and techniques can do both Frequency and Time management for Speaker/Room correction… And if one does not want to do some of the basics with physical absorption then that’s too bad for them…

Mitch “Mitchco” Barnett of ‘Hang Loose Convolver’ fame… His conclusions of his review/test of Room Shaper plug-in applied with HLC.

Conclusion

Indeed a new listening experience with Thierry’s Room Shaper product. Room resonances are real and measureable and to my ears, I can hear the difference readily with the addition of Room Shaper in the signal path in a positive way. A quick AB test with my lovely assistant switching Room Shaper on and off with my eyes closed, I could pick Room Shaper out 10/10 times. Once you hear resonant free low frequency sound reproduction and the “boxiness” of one’s room removed, it is hard to go back :smiling_face:

I am simply amazed that this can be accomplished using a software DSP VST plugin (Room Shaper plugin: 129€, 69€ for HAF service customers). Usually one needs to spend a small fortune on an acoustically designed and constructed critical listening environment. I say this as the last time I heard non-resonant low frequencies and an unboxy room was in an LEDE studio control room in Vancouver, Canada many years ago.

Listening to the effect is like the room has disappeared. Or simply, the decay times across lower mid and bass frequencies are now similar in length. I find I can hear more into the music and less of my room. It is an audible, but subtle positive effect of making the low frequency sound clearer with no resonances and the added bonus of taking out the lower mid “boxy” sound of the room. One can hear the “boxy” sound on the keyboard synthesizers on the Madonna difference file. Very peaky buildup of lower mid sound being removed from my room. Closing my eyes, the sound field image is the size of the front wall. Not only do my fugly fridge size industrial speakers disappear (they did before with DRC), but the room is gone as well. No muddy resonant bass sound or room boxiness. Again, I am impressed the more I listen. Works a treat.
Home Audio Fidelity - Room Shaper Review - Reviews - Audiophile Style

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That article you are referring to is from November 13, 2019… And I am not discounting what Mitch is stating… And approximately three years ago maybe in 2022ish Mitch published this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfGAUvyvdNU
And ever since then there has been improvements to verious tools and techniques that create similar results as Thierry’s Room Shaper product… And I will still say that room acoustic treatment is the basic starting point to which you then add Room Correction DSP… Again it seems time to dismount…

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