I don’t want anything messing up with audirvana 3.5 and as far as I am aware you can’t have both 3.5 and AS installed in the same computer.
Nope
I don’t really care about the radio stations. The ones I like are available in Roon.
You are wrong. You can run both AS and A3.5 on your computer. Each has its own library and they do not conflict.
You can even run both Audirvana players together with Roon.
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Fair enough but if we are talking about subscription I don’t think Roon can be matched. Will try it though but very very unlikely I will be subscribing to Audirvana Studio.
I also don’t care about radios. But there are people on this forum who are happy to have more radio stations. So I tell you what are the advantages of AS.
To be honest I don’t hear any difference on sound quality and therefore is down to UI and ease of use. So far Roon leads the way. I still have 25 days to decide but most likely I will keep 3.5 and buy into Roon.
Do you listen to your own music, like me, or are you streaming?
my own music mainly and streaming only to discover new music.
Ok, AS is an excellent player for people who stream and for radio lovers.
Its library management sucks for people who have a large collection of their own music.
In any way Audirvana Studio can’t justify a subscription model for what they are offering when Roon is available for just a little bit higher price but much greater value with multi zones, DSP, Cross-feed and the lot.
Edit: also my library never looked better.
I agree with what you say. They should have offer it for sale.
Yes, and in that case it would make sense. Right now just doesn’t make any sense why someone would opt for Audirvana Studio.
Not sure how Audirvana can stay commercially viable and relevant with this model. Shall we speculate a U turn? especially when there are no subscriptions to justify the model
We don’t know how many subscribers AS got. There are some subscribers on the forum. Many people are happy with the discount that is offered.
I bought a AudioQuest Dragonfly Red about 5 years ago, with it came a 60 day demo of Roon. I took the demo was impressed with the UI and started using full time almost 5 years ago to the day.
I used to use JRiver plus Wikipedia !!
I have limitation on my rave about Roon but between 1.3 nd 1.8 there have been many improvements especially for classical music (I think you are a fan?). Previously I manually added Composition and later Movement to my legacy (JRiver) system which was a very time consuming affair. I am getting old and decrepit and want to cut down my “Screen Time” (and all the ailments that sitting at a PC bring) so the fact that Roon provides all that Composition data out of the box and with Zero input from me is a big plus. The search engine is also very good.
Box Sets have always been a bone of contention for me but the Album>Focus tool has been improved in 1.8 to give a “reasonable” experience on all but very BIG boxes ie > 100 CD boxes.
I use it on a bog std Windows 10 desktop, i7, 16 Gb RAM 4Tb Muisc drive, 250 SSD system drive.
So why am I interested in AS you may ask, I have an old V1 Cambridge Audio CXN which does not support Roon other than Airplay , I was looking at 3.5 and latterly AS to give me DLNA server , alas I believe I made a mistake subscribing to AS , its still far to buggy to really use . Lets see what improvements come during the year.
So I now sit (happily I may add) with JRiver doing Video and some Audio and Roon doing Audio. The pain point is to use AS I must stop my JRiver server as it seems only one DLNA sever can operate at a time. Equally AS running in parallel with Roon jams up the PC and AS crashes so I need to stop Roon. A mess of note.
Roon offers now a Monthly sub so you can extend the trial piece meal until to you are happy to take the plunge.
Meanwhile I would Love AS to improve to a point where I can use it. I can almost convince myself of an improvement (or is it just a difference) in SQ over Roon.
Just my 2p
I tend to agree , I wish I could reverse that PayPal click, I see a white elephant unless something major changes. Its only money !!
I feel sorry for Damien, as a small enterprise he must be feeling the pain, great plans to compete with Roon (especially in merging local and streaming libraries, no one else does this that I know of) but I suspect too few resources to do it quickly t keep the critics at bay.
Roon’s initial Lifetime offer gave them enough cash to do it well and then drop to an annual subscription base for ongoing customers. Food for thought ?
In terms of financial viability, the subscription model at least brings in a regular income, albeit a lot at one point in time as AS was released. The One Shot license is commercially a bit limiting I would guess.
Yes I did.
At that time, I had Roon Core and HQPlayer on the same Mac mini 2018. Roon was set to hand over the stream to HQPlayer that, in turn, streamed to my RAspberry Pi 4 running RopieeeXL, with the NAA module activated. I had HQPlayer set to pass through, so no upsampling whatsoever (I’m a bit intimidated with the multitude of filters 
).
I didn’t find much of a difference between Roon streaming directly to the Raspi or via HQP. The main difference, however, was when I was using HQPlayer on its own (remote controlling via hqpdcontrol). There I found HQP’s SQ really, really good!
Now I am not using HQP any longer. Since running Roon on a silent i5 NUC, Roon’s SQ profited quite substantially. That’s the simplest set up I can imagine: streaming from Roon ROCK straight via either Ethernet or WiFi.
From time to time, I am checking AS, just to return quickly to Roon again.
I told Damien that I’ll subscribe to AS if he fixes the flaws of the library management and if AS supports WavPacked DSD.
In addition to many albums of classical music, I have at least one box set of the integral works of the main composers: Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Haydn, Schubert, etc… I have their most known works by many performers. But with the box sets, I can listen to less known works that are not performed very often.
Each of these box sets counts tens of CDs and even more than 100 for Beethoven, Bach and Mozart. With a poor library management, it’s impossible to enjoy the music.
For works that I love a lot, I have more than one box set. For instance, I have the box set of Bach’s cantatas by Leonhardt and Harnoncourt, and also by Koopman and also by Suzuki.
With JRiver, I can easily listen to a given cantata and compare between the different performances.
If Roon does it as well as JRiver and with a better sound, I may end by subscribing to it. I was opposed to subscription before trying AS. But there are too little alternatives for Mac users.
Exactly, and thy we don’t know the number of subscribers? Anyway, my bet is that Audirvana with its current model will not be sustainable.
When they announced AS as a subscription player, I was excited. I expected it to be something very special.