Audirvāna Studio vs Roon

Tried all, Audirvana 3.5, AS and Roon and couldn’t hear any difference. I haven’t seen any evidence to support the contrary. If the perception of bass is so clear then this can easily be remeasured. After extensive listening is all down to UI, easy of use and features where Roon is the clearcut winner. I like the simplicity of 3.5 and that would have been my player and library management software of choice if it wasn’t for some bugs like the inability to control and use the progress bar with UPnP devices.

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My question about MQA is because the DSP is then bypassed. If you happen to do all the tests with Tidal files then it won’t work.

Can you show what you have set to VST? Have you turned on realtime so that the EQ becomes visible during playback? Can you see in the workflow that the processing is active?

I understand your comment but I can’t agree with it. Windows 7 is not supported anymore and it’s a very old operating system with security issue that won’t be fixed by Microsoft.

It’s not buggy, this app makes the installation of a software in a click, you have nothing more to do. If there is an issue with your device it will display a error message which enable you to find a solution for the error code.

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You are certainly right concerning your system!

I must admit, I did not do a one to one comparison: AS is UPnP via my Raspberry Pi 4, while Roon goes directly via Ethernet into my system. It’s possible that the Ethernet port could be blamed, though I doubt.

Comparing the different ports (Ethernet, WiFi, and USB) within Roon reveals not much of a difference. With all inputs, Roon sound treble plagued and thin.

Changing to HQPlayer/Roon (with Dodou‘s help) improved Roon’s sound considerably. Gone is the treble glare and Roon becomes very pleasant!

Maybe it’s the RAAT protocol that causes Roon to sound less good as AS???

Whatever, each to his/her own. As long as one enjoys the sound, all is perfect!

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Still I haven’t seen any evidence to support any kind of difference between players. Anybody have seen anything?

This is subjective. Music is art. At least related to sq. I have my own opinion (AS for the moment) but AS is not perfect and I will say to anybody who ask me: don’t take my words for granted, try yourself!

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For Windows 10, there’s also a desktop installer. At least with the desktop installer, you know where your files are going and you can easily uninstall with the Control Panel → Programs and Features. OTH, Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps are messy and help to perpetuate the Metro screen. In any case, UWP apps are not the way of the future – just ask Microsoft. Even Office 365 uses the desktop installer!

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“Normal” installers are better. All my life I used “normal” installers, from 98 to 10. I didn’t know and care about Store and App Installer until Audirvana, until March this year when I bought A 3.5. All my other apps don’t use this “technology”. And as I wrote to Damien I had a problem with an app installer error this spring and I reinstalled Windows because I couldn’t find a solution. ALL MY OTHER APPS HAD NO PROBLEMS.

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When you’ll have your Mac, you’ll be rid of all these Windows reinstallations.

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Why won’t you ask Damien to support also macOS 7 from 1990?
I still have a Mac Plus in my stellar.

Your irony is wrong. Most programs, including Office, Adobe, Roon don’t use app installer. And, as an old Windows user, I will tell you that you are wrong. Usually you don’t have to reinstall os if you take care of it, even for years, despite of what others think and say (this is my experience). Just read my post again - THE ONLY REASON OF WINDOWS REINSTALLATION was Audirvana (A 3.5). Microsoft is not so bad, my system is very stable even if is not Apple.

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Windows 7 is not from 1990. Many softwares works pretty well, including Adobe, Office, Firefox, qBitTorrent, ESET NOD32, VLC, Foobar, WinRAR, Roon. Indeed Microsoft will not make more updates for it officially, forcing people to upgrade to 10 or 11 especially for commercial reasons.

On this forum, many Windows users reported that they had to reinstall their OS.
That’s why I tried AS only on Mac. I didn’t want it to produce a mess on my Dell. I had already awful mess with Windows 10 automated updates.

Automated Updates can be disabled. If you don’t believe me ask Google. The best compromise between Windows 7 and 10 is LTSC. This is very important, LTSC is more stable than a regular version or worst 11. I know what I say because sometimes I install Windows to other people machines. I have a friend with LTSC for 2 years and his comp works ok. An important question is why people reinstall Windows. I can bet that were cases when App Installer was the reason. A good software must be as compatible it can be, with minimum dependencies to avoid as much ad possible headaches.

Maybe you can disable W10 automated updates with some hacks, but it renders you crazy by asking non-stop to update. Though I didn’t want it, I ended the last time by accepting the update. The result was that the updated W10 did not recognize anymore the Wi-fi card of the PC, and I had to buy a new one that it recognizes.

Maybe LTSC is a good OS, but I won’t pay MS for a new OS. We are used to get the OS for free from Apple.

Understand.

This is one of the best app for tweaking Windows:

Every tweak can be undone.

It’s very possible that Macs are more stable and the idea of an OS included with the hardware is good. I don’t think LTSC needs a separate license, I don’t know. Once the license is “written” in the BIOS works even for 11 - that’s what I observed. You just need to install Store and App Installer - the link is on this forum. Anyway, since you are happy with your Mac probabily you won’t do this and you have right. But I heard on this forum that even Macs have problems after updates, is not true?

I use the PC only for professional tasks. It happens occasionally, but when it’s necessary, it has to be available and working. So I don’t want to mess too much with it, because I’m not comfortable with Windows.
I just installed on it some music players for the fun.

There are problems with Mac updates too, but it’s extremely rare and mostly only with some models. When it happens, Apple releases very quickly, within days, a corrective update.

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The computer scientist who changed my wi-fi card following, the update of W10, told me that it happened to many people. He told me that all these forceful updates are intended to prepare our computers for the arrival of Windows 11.
The fact that Windows enforces you to update is scandalous. You may not want or need it, because it may create conflicts with important software on your computer. Apple does not enforce OS updates. There are people who nedd to remain with old versions of macOS, because it’s necessary to preserve the compatibility with professional software.

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I’ve bought my MacBook Air 3 years ago. It went from macOS High Sierra all the way to Big Sur without a complete reinstallation. My Windows laptops are 6 months and just over a year in my home. And both of them are still running on the original Windows 10 Home installation. The game PC which my gaming laptop replaced ran for 3 years without a reinstallation. I had to replace it because of hardware failure, not software :smiley:

All 3 laptops run lightning fast and rock solid. It’s been years since I’ve seen an BSOD. (Blue Screen Of Death). Last time was basically during the Windows XP era.

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I remember that the analysis was long and tiresome on your PC, so you complained a lot about it, but it was fast and painless on your MacBook Air.