Denon AVC-X6700H HDMI not detected as 192 kHz Capable

GJongbeis · October 19, 2020, 11:57am

Hello Readers,

I am evaluating audirvana currently. It does not detect the 192 bitrate from HDMI, while Roon happily uses it without issues.
Max is 96.

I am using exclusive mode. Playing FLAC.

Looking at the debug screen, I see max 96. But the AVR should be able to do more.

Any suggestions?

Guido.

bitracer · October 19, 2020, 12:24pm

Can you play the higher res file? Regardless of the detection.

GJongbeis · October 19, 2020, 1:03pm

Yes, but down sampled to 96. (it’s using a Mac Mini Latest OS (Catalina))

bitracer · October 19, 2020, 2:15pm

Could you paste the debug info here? Check the sampling rate limitation if something is set.

GJongbeis · October 19, 2020, 2:25pm

Audirvana Mac Version 3.5.41 (3571)
macOS 10.14.6 with 4096MB RAM

Trial version using demo license

SIGNAL PROCESSING:

Polarity Inversion:
	Globally: OFF
	Per track: ON
Effects plugins NOT ACTIVE

UPSAMPLING:
SoX not in use
SoX filter parameters
Bandwidth at 0dB = 99.5
Filter max length = 30000
Anti-aliasing = 100
Phase = 66

AUDIO VOLUME:
Max allowed volume: 100
Replay Gain: None
SW volume control: OFF

LIBRARY SETTINGS:
Sync list: 1 folders
AUTO: /Users/guidojongbeis/Documents/Audirvana
iTunes/Music library synchronization: not synchronized
Library database path: /Users/guidojongbeis/Library/Application Support/Audirvana/AudirvanaPlusDatabaseV2.sqlite

ACTIVE STREAMING SERVICES
TIDAL: Connected as HIFI

=================== AUDIO DEVICE ========================

Direct Mode audio path, buffer I/O frame size: 512

Max. memory for audio buffers: 1024MB

Local Audio Engine:
Exclusive access: Enabled
Integer mode: Enabled

Preferred device:
HDMI
Model UID:AppleHDA:88
UID:AppleHDAEngineOutputDP:1B,3,1,2:0:{EE11-006C-01010101}

Active Sample Rate: 44.1kHz
Hog Mode is off

Bridge settings:
Sample rate limitation: none
Sample rate switching latency: none
Limit bitdepth to 24bit: OFF
Mute during sample rate change: OFF

Selected device:
Local audio device
ID 0x54 HDMI Manufacturer:Apple Inc.
Model UID:AppleHDA:88 UID:AppleHDAEngineOutputDP:1B,3,1,2:0:{EE11-006C-01010101}

5 available sample rates up to 96000Hz
32000
44100
48000
88200
96000
Audio buffer frame size : 14 to 4096 frames
Current I/O buffer frame size : 512
Volume Control
Physical: No
Virtual: No
MQA capability
Auto-detect MQA devices: No
Not a MQA device, user set to not MQA
DSD capability: Unhandled
Device audio channels
Multichannel: 8 channels
Preferred stereo channels L:1 R:2
Channel bitmap: Ox3f, layout:
Channel 0 mapped to 0
Channel 1 mapped to 1
Channel 2 mapped to 2
Channel 3 mapped to 3
Channel 4 mapped to 4
Channel 5 mapped to 5
Channel 6 unused
Channel 7 unused

Audio channels in use
Number of channels: 8
Use as stereo device only: No
Simple stereo device: No

1 output streams:
Number of active channels: 8, in 1 stream(s)
Channel #0 :Stream 0 channel 0
Channel #1 :Stream 0 channel 1
Channel #2 :Stream 0 channel 2
Channel #3 :Stream 0 channel 3
Channel #4 :Stream 0 channel 4
Channel #5 :Stream 0 channel 5
Channel #6 :Stream 0 channel 6
Channel #7 :Stream 0 channel 7

Stream ID 0x55 8 channels starting at 1
8 virtual formats:
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 32 little endian Signed Float 96kHz
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 32 little endian Signed Float 88.2kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 32 little endian Signed Float 48kHz
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 32 little endian Signed Float 48kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 32 little endian Signed Float 44.1kHz
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 32 little endian Signed Float 44.1kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 32 little endian Signed Float 32kHz
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 32 little endian Signed Float 32kHz

18 physical formats
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned low in 32bit 96kHz
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned low in 32bit 88.2kHz
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned low in 32bit 48kHz
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned low in 32bit 44.1kHz
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned low in 32bit 32kHz
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 20 little endian Signed Integer aligned low in 32bit 96kHz
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 20 little endian Signed Integer aligned low in 32bit 88.2kHz
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 20 little endian Signed Integer aligned low in 32bit 48kHz
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 20 little endian Signed Integer aligned low in 32bit 44.1kHz
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 20 little endian Signed Integer aligned low in 32bit 32kHz
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 96kHz
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 88.2kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 48kHz
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 48kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 44.1kHz
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 44.1kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 32kHz
8 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 32kHz

Local devices found : 3
Device #0: ID 0x4d Built-in Output Manufacturer: Apple Inc. Model UID: AppleHDA:88 UID: AppleHDAEngineOutput:1B,0,1,2:0
Device #1: ID 0x54 HDMI Manufacturer: Apple Inc. Model UID: AppleHDA:88 UID: AppleHDAEngineOutputDP:1B,3,1,2:0:{EE11-006C-01010101}
Device #2: ID 0x27 Hue Sync Manufacturer: Philips Lighting B.V. Model UID: com_lighting_HueSyncEngine:0 UID: com_lighting_HueSyncEngine:0

UPnP devices found : 3
Device #0: ID 0x0 Denon AVC-X6700H UID: uuid:3316caa1-9db9-1108-0080-00067839c782 Location: http://192.168.1.250:60006/upnp/desc/aios_device/aios_device.xml
Device #1: ID 0x0 210-0024C50023bc UID: uuid:F9420EBC-191F-1241-8925-0024C50023BC Location: http://192.168.1.239:38400/description.xml
Device #2: ID 0x0 Slaapkamer UID: uuid:0be65d64-8d1c-45e1-86b2-f19537049815 Location: http://192.168.1.130:34360/0be65d64-8d1c-45e1-86b2-f19537049815.xml

GJongbeis · October 19, 2020, 2:27pm

I just noticed it’s on Mojave, instead of Catalina (my roon is running on a Macmini with Catalina)
Anyhow details are posted for debug info as requested.

jarrod2750 · October 21, 2020, 12:18am

Had the same problem with my Marantz av8805. Unfortunately and according to Damien, because of the Heos implementation 192khz files will not play through the hdmi port and instead get routed through the Heos app. This happens every time I play a 192khz file.

I did a trial of Roon and couldn’t get anything to work via hdmi and it would default to airplay. The Marantz is only “roon tested” which means it only works with AirPlay…

GJongbeis · October 21, 2020, 6:45am

Hi Jarrod,

Thank you for your feedback.
Well on my device it’s different, I don’t see routing to Heos. My file plays but in 96kHz. As the software thinks that’s the maximum capability. (see debug-info)

For Roon I have no issue at all, and all plays fine through HDMI on Max 192kHz as per specs. It needs to be configured in Exclusive mode in Roon to make it work, if you want I can share my settings? There are some settings to watch for if they are put correct.
My device is also Roon tested only.

Guido.

GJongbeis · October 21, 2020, 7:57am

Jarrod, have sent PM with my settings… let me know if this works for you now.
Guido.

GJongbeis · October 26, 2020, 8:37am

I’ve noticed that when not physically connecting through HDMI, the 192 kHz options are available. In this case switch to Heos is made when playing and it works.

Guido.

jarrod2750 · October 26, 2020, 4:43pm

Not following you. I see the 192 files too, just when I play them it switches to Heos. Is that how it is handled in your setup too?

GJongbeis · October 26, 2020, 5:12pm

Yes, when not connected to HMDI it uses HEOS, but not otherwise.

jarrod2750 · October 26, 2020, 5:26pm

And when hooked up via HDMI are you able to play 192khz files?

GJongbeis · October 26, 2020, 6:09pm

Nope, they are downscaled to 96. Obviously because the avr is detected as a non 192 khz capable as you see in my debug log. (But only when connected physically to hdmi)

Has the Marantz the same behaviour?

jarrod2750 · October 26, 2020, 6:36pm

Same exact behavior. It is because of Denon/Marantz’s implementation of Heos and the infrastructure of Audirvana not cooperating. I tried another streamer and it can play 192khz without issue via HDMI, but I like the user experience of Audirvana much better!

sgpeltan · November 13, 2020, 9:23pm

Audirvana/Qobuz with DENON x4500,

2017 4.2 GHz iMac sees Denon UPNP as 96khz max
2020 MacBook Pro sees (and plays perfectly) UPNP up to 192KHz.
Both computers on Catalina and wifi.
Same Qobuz tracks.
Both copies of Audirvana set to stream Qobuz up to 192KHz.
iMac A-vana 3.5.42(3572)
MacBook Pro A-vana 3.5.40 (3570)

sgpeltan · November 24, 2020, 1:50am

Bump. Any idea why two slightly different versions of Audirvana would behave this way, i.e. one sees Denon as 192KHz capable, and the other only 96 KHz? (confirmed in Debug info).

system · December 4, 2021, 1:50am

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