Issue: FLAC 16bit is sent out as 24bit

Hello @AlexJ,

Can you send me a copy of the “Debug Info”? You can get it in Audirvana Settings>General>Debug Info

Note: By clicking on the Debug Info button, Audirvana automatically copies all its content, all you have to do is paste it in response to this message

to edit your post you need to click on the three dot option next to Reply button :wink:

Debug info below. I think this is not the info you are looking for, because I did shut down my PC yesterday, so I think all relevant information about yesterday’s night session is lost. Let me know if this is useful already, or you need more information (Then I will also power up the Pi4/Moode and listen some songs, after which I will share the debug info).

About editing posts, Im sorry to say, but when I hit the " …" I can ‘share’, ‘bookmark’ and ‘delete’ the post, not edit.

debug info:
Audirvana 3.5.12

SIGNAL PROCESSING:

Polarity Inversion:
	Globally: OFF
	Per track: ON
Effects plugins NOT ACTIVE

UPSAMPLING:
SoX not in use
SoX filter parameters
Bandwidth at 0dB = 99.5
Filter max length = 30000
Anti-aliasing = 100
Phase = 66

AUDIO VOLUME:
Max allowed volume: 100
Replay Gain: None
SW volume control: OFF

LIBRARY SETTINGS:
Sync list: 1 folders
AUTO: Z:
Library database path: C:\Users\Alex\AppData\Local\Audirvana\AudirvanaPlus\AudirvanaPlusDatabaseV2.sqlite

ACTIVE STREAMING SERVICES

=================== AUDIO DEVICE ========================

Max. memory for audio buffers: 2292MB

Local Audio Engine:WASAPI

Preferred device:
Moode UPNP
Model UID:JF Light Industries Moode UPNP
UID:uuid:2dfea03c-6f8a-b387-b7bd-dca63299c142

Active Sample Rate: 48kHz

Bridge settings:
Sample rate limitation: none
Sample rate switching latency: none
Limit bitdepth to 24bit: OFF
Mute during sample rate change: OFF

Selected device:
Local audio device
Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio) Manufacturer:
Model UID:Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio) UID:\?\SWD#MMDEVAPI#{0.0.0.00000000}.{d7ce07e6-0081-443a-9f4b-270628984a71}#{e6327cad-dcec-4949-ae8a-991e976a79d2}

4 available sample rates up to 192000Hz
44100
48000
96000
192000
Volume Control
Physical: No
Virtual: No
MQA capability
Auto-detect MQA devices: Yes
Not a MQA device, user set to MQA Decoder
DSD capability: Unhandled
Device audio channels
Preferred stereo channels L:0 R:1
Channel bitmap: Ox3, layout:
Channel 0 mapped to 0
Channel 1 mapped to 1

Audio channels in use
Number of channels: 2
Use as stereo device only: No
Simple stereo device: No

1 output streams:
Number of active channels: 2, in 1 stream(s)
Channel #0 :Stream 0 channel 0
Channel #1 :Stream 0 channel 1
2 ch Integer PCM 16bit little endian 44.1kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 20bit little endian aligned high in 32bit chunk 44.1kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 24bit little endian aligned high in 32bit chunk 44.1kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 16bit little endian 48kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 20bit little endian aligned high in 32bit chunk 48kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 24bit little endian aligned high in 32bit chunk 48kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 16bit little endian 96kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 20bit little endian aligned high in 32bit chunk 96kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 24bit little endian aligned high in 32bit chunk 96kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 16bit little endian 192kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 20bit little endian aligned high in 32bit chunk 192kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 24bit little endian aligned high in 32bit chunk 192kHz

Local devices found : 2
Device #0: Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio) Manufacturer: Model UID: Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio) UID: \?\SWD#MMDEVAPI#{0.0.0.00000000}.{d7ce07e6-0081-443a-9f4b-270628984a71}#{e6327cad-dcec-4949-ae8a-991e976a79d2}
Device #1: 5 - U28E590 (AMD High Definition Audio Device) Manufacturer: Model UID: 5 - U28E590 (AMD High Definition Audio Device) UID: \?\SWD#MMDEVAPI#{0.0.0.00000000}.{3bd80335-4ab8-47bb-b7eb-332cf2f90116}#{e6327cad-dcec-4949-ae8a-991e976a79d2}

UPnP devices found : 0

Hi im quite new here and um not sure if this is solved but ihad the same problem so i changed my output to WASAPI from ASIO and everything works perfectly
16 bit plays as 16 bit and 24 bit plays as 24 bit. same for tidal files
im not sure about how to fix this issue in mac though…

Hi all, I’m using Audirvana 3.5.42 with Windows 10 and Cambridge Audio USBAudio ASIO Driver on a CXA81 playing from Tidal source.

I’ve the same problem with bit depth but also with the sampling rate: 24/192 FLAC are played at 32/96.

Here my debug:

Audirvana 3.5.42

SIGNAL PROCESSING:

Polarity Inversion:
	Globally: OFF
	Per track: ON
Effects plugins NOT ACTIVE

UPSAMPLING:
SoX not in use
SoX filter parameters
Bandwidth at 0dB = 99.5
Filter max length = 30000
Anti-aliasing = 100
Phase = 66

AUDIO VOLUME:
Max allowed volume: 100
Replay Gain: None
SW volume control: OFF

LIBRARY SETTINGS:
Sync list: 0 folders
Library database path: C:\Users\Danilo\AppData\Local\Audirvana\AudirvanaPlus\AudirvanaPlusDatabaseV2.sqlite

ACTIVE STREAMING SERVICES
TIDAL: Connected as HIFI

=================== AUDIO DEVICE ========================

Max. memory for audio buffers: 2044MB

Local Audio Engine:ASIO 2 driver version 1110

Preferred device:
CA USBAudio ASIO Driver
Model UID:CA USBAudio ASIO Driver
UID:CA USBAudio ASIO Driver

Currently playing in Integer Mode:
Device: 2ch 32bits Integer, 8 bytes per frame 96kHz

Active Sample Rate: 96kHz

Bridge settings:
Sample rate limitation: none
Sample rate switching latency: none
Limit bitdepth to 24bit: OFF
Mute during sample rate change: OFF

Selected device:
Local audio device
CA USBAudio ASIO Driver Manufacturer:
Model UID:CA USBAudio ASIO Driver UID:CA USBAudio ASIO Driver

13 available sample rates up to 22579200Hz
44100
48000
88200
96000
176400
192000
352800
384000
705600
2822400
5644800
11289600
22579200
Volume Control
Physical: No
Virtual: No
MQA capability
Auto-detect MQA devices: Yes
Not a MQA device, user set to not MQA
DSD capability: Raw DSD (MSB)
Device audio channels
Preferred stereo channels L:0 R:1
Channel bitmap: Ox3, layout:
Channel 0 mapped to 0
Channel 1 mapped to 1

Audio channels in use
Number of channels: 2
Use as stereo device only: No
Simple stereo device: Yes

1 output streams:
Number of active channels: 2, in 1 stream(s)
Channel #0 :Stream 0 channel 0
Channel #1 :Stream 0 channel 1
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 44.1kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 48kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 88.2kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 96kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 176.4kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 192kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 352.8kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 384kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 705.6kHz
2 ch DSD 8bit big endian in 8bit chunk 2822.4kHz
2 ch DSD 8bit big endian in 8bit chunk 5644.8kHz
2 ch DSD 8bit big endian in 8bit chunk 11289.6kHz
2 ch DSD 8bit big endian in 8bit chunk 22579.2kHz

Local devices found : 1
Device #0: CA USBAudio ASIO Driver Manufacturer: Model UID: CA USBAudio ASIO Driver UID: CA USBAudio ASIO Driver

UPnP devices found : 0

Is this an MQA file?

Yes it is an MQA file.

Then it’s normal since your DAC is not MQA capable you only get the first unfold.

Thank you Alex! I didn’t understood that MQA it was a specific codec and not an acronym identifying an authorised source and quality of music.

https://techsupport.cambridgeaudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000579989-Does-my-Network-Streamer-support-MQA-playback-

So the DAC upscale the bit depth and downscale the sampling rate?
In your opinion which are the downsides?

No, you only get the full rate if you have MQA capable DAC.

Yes, now it’s clear; but why Audirvana says me that the DAC is rendering at 32/96? I can understand the lower sample rate but why the bit depth is higher?
What’s happening?

32 is the max bit depth your DAC supports.

Hi… the bit depth shown in Audirvana (and Roon as well) is NOT the bitdepth of the MQA audio but the bit depth of the FLAC container itself that holds the MQA.

Apparently a huge amount of 16bit MQAs were in the past rolled out in 24bit containers. Especially during the release of the Warner 16b/44.1k albums lots of the 16b MQA’s came mistakenly in 24bit flacs. It took a while before someone noticed, but in the mean time the majority has already been rewrapped correctly in 16bit containers (flacs) and so they are now also correctly showing 16b when playing.

When you see 24b and you see a samplerate >48kHz you can be certain it IS a 24bit.
However when you see 24b and the sample rate is 44.1kHz then there are 2 possibilities :

  1. the MQA in the 24b flac is indeed 24b
  2. the MQA in the 24b flac is only 16b

Those can - until this is fully solved - be identified only by looking at the bitrate (which I think is not possible in Audirvana). A true 24bit MQA flac has most of the times a bitrate of around 1500kbps.
For a 16bit MQA the bitrate is usually around 900kbps.

So if you see 24b and the bitrate is only 900kbps… you can be quite certain it’s actually a 16b MQA playing !

(I noticed quite some of Aretha Franklin with a bitrate of 900kbps still marked as 24b)

Hope this helps.

MQA_Tester thanks for the explanation, you’ve added another interesting element!

Now we’ve made clearness around the MQA topic, but it remain open the fact that in the output device section Audirvana for every input song’s bit depth shows always 32 bit depth. :confused:

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This was addressed by @Antoine before. He claims that what’s shown there is the max input bit depth the interface presents to Audirvana and that no padding or resampling is going on.

Ok, so it’s a viewing “bug” let me say. Thanks!

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