Issue playing some 7.1.4 wav files

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I am a new Audirvāna Studio user. Some of my 7.1.4 wav files play fine and others don’t. The problem is that not all the channels play.

Here is output of a file being played with Audirvāna 3.5, and you see there’s something on all channels

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Here is output of the same file being played with Audirvāna Studio, and you see there’s only content on the first 6 channels.
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On the other hand, some 7.1.4 files play just fine? Any suggestions for fixing this?

Similar question here 12 Channel WavPack Issues but no solution.

Thanks!

EDIT file details

General
Complete name                            : 02. Run a Red Light.wav
Format                                   : Wave
Format settings                          : WaveFormatExtensible
File size                                : 361 MiB
Duration                                 : 3 min 39 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Constant
Overall bit rate                         : 13.8 Mb/s
Album                                    : FUSE
Album/Performer                          : Everything but the Girl
Part/Position                            : 2
Track name                               : Run a Red Light
Track name/Position                      : 02
Performer                                : Everything but the Girl / Everything but the Girl
Director                                 : Everything but the Girl
Genre                                    : Electronic / 52
Recorded date                            : 2023 / 2023
Writing application                      : Lavf60.16.100
MusicBrainz Artist Id                    : 959cf5bf-ee29-4af6-a85a-0b480181d988
MusicBrainz Album Artist Id              : 959cf5bf-ee29-4af6-a85a-0b480181d988
MusicBrainz Album Id                     : f7867ea2-5d31-451d-84af-11f31d97b06d
MusicBrainz Release Group Id             : e09f368f-8441-4aa6-91ee-06e056744694
DIRC                                     : FUSE

Audio
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little / Signed
Codec ID                                 : 00000001-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71
Duration                                 : 3 min 39 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 13.8 Mb/s
Channel(s)                               : 12 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Lb Rb Ls Rs Tfl Tfr Tbl Tbr
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Stream size                              : 361 MiB (100%)

VOX also works fine for this file.

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If you open that file in Audacity do you visually see content in channels 7 through 12?

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Also, try converting the WAV file to WAV using XLD. I’ve found this helps get around some issues once in a while.

You can look at the file in an app like MP3 Tag as well and it’ll give you info about the header to compare with working files.

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Thanks for the suggestions! I do see content on channels 7–12 in Audacity. And all channels play in VOX, Audirvāna 3.5, and JRiver.

Less success with the XLD and MP3 Tag suggestions, probably something I’m doing. XLD complains: “Selected output format does not support input format.” and I don’t see header info in MP3 Tag. I’ve been using mediainfo (on linux) for that.

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Use JRiver to convert from WAV to WAV. I’m willing to bet this will resolve the issue.

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Using JRiver to convert WAV to WAV does produce a file that works in Audirvāna Studio. Thanks!

Whether that workflow scales and makes sense for me is less clear. I have three other players that don’t require it. Perhaps easiest to stick with Audirvāna 3.5 and hope that this is fixed on Audirvāna Studio or Roon adds support for more than 8 channels. My only issue with Audirvāna 3.5 is problems with large (> 2 GB) files.

I ran mediainfo on the two wav files (diff below) and two differences are Format settings and Channel layout.

< Complete name                            : 02. Run a Red Light-JRiver.wav
---
> Complete name                            : 02. Run a Red Light.wav
4c4
< Format settings                          : PcmWaveformat
---
> Format settings                          : WaveFormatExtensible
10a11
> Part/Position                            : 2
12,18c13,23
< Track name/Position                      : 2
< Performer                                : Everything but the Girl
< Genre                                    : Electronic
< Recorded date                            : 2023
< Album Artist                             : Everything but the Girl
< HDCD                                     : -1
< Tool Name                                : Media Center
---
> Track name/Position                      : 02
> Performer                                : Everything but the Girl / Everything but the Girl
> Director                                 : Everything but the Girl
> Genre                                    : Electronic / 52
> Recorded date                            : 2023 / 2023
> Writing application                      : Lavf60.16.100
> MusicBrainz Artist Id                    : 959cf5bf-ee29-4af6-a85a-0b480181d988
> MusicBrainz Album Artist Id              : 959cf5bf-ee29-4af6-a85a-0b480181d988
> MusicBrainz Album Id                     : f7867ea2-5d31-451d-84af-11f31d97b06d
> MusicBrainz Release Group Id             : e09f368f-8441-4aa6-91ee-06e056744694
> DIRC                                     : FUSE
23c28
< Codec ID                                 : 1
---
> Codec ID                                 : 00000001-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71
27a33
> Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Lb Rb Ls Rs Tfl Tfr Tbl Tbr
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Great to read that fixed it.

I’m with you on Studio working with these files and Roon supporting more than 8 channels.

I also wish Studio worked well with VST3 plugins. As it is now, it’s unusable.

The greater than 2GB issue is also a pain.

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Hi @mkt,

I would like to reproduce your issue on my end. Can you please send me those files at support@audirvana.com?

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Done. Thanks!

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Another data point.

I downloaded the 7.1.4 wav file here EBU QC - Details of Channel-based 7.1.4 and it plays in Studio. After I run it through ffmpeg, all channels do not play in Studio.
ffmpeg -i channels_7_1_4_adm_bsldet.wav -c copy channels_7_1_4_adm_bsldet-ff.wav

Again the difference seems to be Format settings and Channel layout.

Fortunately both files play in 3.5.