Issue with connecting Yamaha network player and OUTPUTS tab

PieterC · June 1, 2020, 6:18pm

Newbie questions…I have several network devices hard wired onto same network through a 48 port switch. MacOS, Tidal…

In the outputs tab where I select the player I want to use have the following issues:

Yamaha RN-301 Player (driving ceiling speakers in the kitchen)show up in both the DAC and NETWORK lists when clicking on the speaker icon. The version under DAC is the only one that works but with limitations (44.1kHz shown as 'Supported PCM rate)/ The version fro same device under NETWORK appears to connect, starts the initial process when playing a song (decoding?) but then crashes the software when teh song looks like it is about to play. Thsi appears to support higher PCM rates in teh setup menu but does not work.
Also connected is a Denon AVR - X3500H which works fine with higher PCM rates with the slight issue that it shows up four times in the NETWORK list.

I would appreciate any guidance to resolve. Reasonably happy with trail but finding the niggles a little annoying.

Thanks!

Antoine · June 2, 2020, 1:57pm

Can you send me a copy of the “Debug Info” while you are connected to your Yamaha? You can get it in Audirvana Settings>General>Debug Info

Note: By clicking on the Debug Info button, Audirvana automatically copies all its content, all you have to do is paste it in response to this message.

For Denon, is it HEOS compatible?

PieterC · June 2, 2020, 3:02pm

Hi Damien, thanks for your reply, yes the Denon is HEOS compatible.

Debug info when trying to connect from NETWORK list:

Audirvana Mac Version 3.5.35 (3565)

macOS 10.15.4 with 8192MB RAM

Trial version using demo license

SIGNAL PROCESSING:

Polarity Inversion:

Globally: OFF

Per track: ON

Effects plugins NOT ACTIVE

UPSAMPLING:

SoX with device max frequency upsampling

SoX filter parameters

Bandwidth at 0dB = 99.5

Filter max length = 30000

Anti-aliasing = 100

Phase = 60

AUDIO VOLUME:

Max allowed volume: 100

Replay Gain: by track

SW volume control: OFF

LIBRARY SETTINGS:

Sync list: 0 folders

iTunes/Music library synchronization: not synchronized

Library database path: /Users/pietercoetzee/Library/Application Support/Audirvana/AudirvanaPlusDatabaseV2.sqlite

ACTIVE STREAMING SERVICES

TIDAL: Connected as HIFI

=================== AUDIO DEVICE ========================

Preferred device: R-N301 C44909 Model UID:Yamaha Corporation R-N301 C44909 UID:uuid:5f9ec1b3-ed59-1900-4530-00a0dec44909

Selected device:

UPnP device at http://192.168.1.15:8080/MediaRenderer/desc.xml

ID 0x0 R-N301 C44909 Manufacturer:Yamaha Corporation

Model UID:Yamaha Corporation R-N301 C44909 UID:uuid:5f9ec1b3-ed59-1900-4530-00a0dec44909

2 available sample rates up to 48000Hz

44100

48000

Volume control: No

MQA capability

Auto-detect MQA devices: Yes

Not a MQA device, user set to not MQA

DSD capability: DSD via PCM 1.1

Device audio channels

Preferred stereo channels L:0 R:1

Channel bitmap: Ox3, layout:

Channel 0 mapped to 0

Channel 1 mapped to 1

UPnP/DLNA supported protocols:

http-get:*:audio/L16;rate=44100;channels=1:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM

http-get:*:audio/L16;rate=44100;channels=2:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM

http-get:*:audio/L16;rate=48000;channels=1:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM

http-get:*:audio/L16;rate=48000;channels=2:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM

http-get:*:audio/mpeg:DLNA.ORG_PN=MP3

http-get:*:audio/x-ms-wma:DLNA.ORG_PN=WMABASE

http-get:*:audio/x-ms-wma:DLNA.ORG_PN=WMAFULL

http-wavetunes::audio/x-ms-wma:

DLNA 1.5: Yes

Gapless playback: Yes

Missing events workaround: No

Can play native DSD: No

Number of channels: 2

Use as stereo device only: No

1 output streams:

Number of active channels: 2, in 1 stream(s)

Channel #0 :Stream 0 channel 0

Channel #1 :Stream 0 channel 1

Stream ID 0x0 0 channels starting at 0

2 virtual formats:

2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 big endian Signed Integer 44.1kHz

2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 big endian Signed Integer 48kHz

0 physical formats

Current device transportInfo:

CurrentTransportState: NO_MEDIA_PRESENT

CurrentTransportStatus: OK

CurrentSpeed: 1

Current device MediaInfo:

NrTracks: 0

MediaDuration: 0:04:36

CurrentURI:

CurrentURIMetadata:

nextURI:

nextURIMetadata:

PlayMedium: NONE

RecordMedium: NOT_IMPLEMENTED

WriteStatus: NOT_IMPLEMENTED

Current device AVT service description:

<?xml version="1.0"?>

1

0

SetAVTransportURI

InstanceID

in

A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID

CurrentURI

in

AVTransportURI

CurrentURIMetaData

in

AVTransportURIMetaData

SetNextAVTransportURI

InstanceID

in

A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID

NextURI

in

NextAVTransportURI

NextURIMetaData

in

NextAVTransportURIMetaData

GetMediaInfo

InstanceID

in

A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID

NrTracks

out

NumberOfTracks

MediaDuration

out

CurrentMediaDuration

CurrentURI

out

AVTransportURI

CurrentURIMetaData

out

AVTransportURIMetaData

NextURI

out

NextAVTransportURI

NextURIMetaData

out

NextAVTransportURIMetaData

PlayMedium

out

PlaybackStorageMedium

RecordMedium

out

RecordStorageMedium

WriteStatus

out

RecordMediumWriteStatus

GetTransportInfo

InstanceID

in

A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID

CurrentTransportState

out

TransportState

CurrentTransportStatus

out

TransportStatus

CurrentSpeed

out

TransportPlaySpeed

GetPositionInfo

InstanceID

in

A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID

Track

out

CurrentTrack

TrackDuration

out

CurrentTrackDuration

TrackMetaData

out

CurrentTrackMetaData

TrackURI

out

CurrentTrackURI

RelTime

out

RelativeTimePosition

AbsTime

out

AbsoluteTimePosition

RelCount

out

RelativeCounterPosition

AbsCount

out

AbsoluteCounterPosition

GetDeviceCapabilities

InstanceID

in

A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID

PlayMedia

out

PossiblePlaybackStorageMedia

RecMedia

out

PossibleRecordStorageMedia

RecQualityModes

out

PossibleRecordQualityModes

GetTransportSettings

InstanceID

in

A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID

PlayMode

out

CurrentPlayMode

RecQualityMode

out

CurrentRecordQualityMode

Stop

InstanceID

in

A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID

Play

InstanceID

in

A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID

Speed

in

TransportPlaySpeed

Pause

InstanceID

in

A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID

Seek

InstanceID

in

A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID

Unit

in

A_ARG_TYPE_SeekMode

Target

in

A_ARG_TYPE_SeekTarget

in

A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID

in

A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID

SetPlayMode

InstanceID

in

A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID

NewPlayMode

in

CurrentPlayMode

GetCurrentTransportActions

InstanceID

in

A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID

Actions

out

CurrentTransportActions

LastChange

string

TransportState

string

STOPPED

PLAYING

PAUSED_PLAYBACK

TRANSITIONING

NO_MEDIA_PRESENT

TransportStatus

string

OK

ERROR_OCCURRED

PlaybackStorageMedium

string

NETWORK

RecordStorageMedium

string

NOT_IMPLEMENTED

PossiblePlaybackStorageMedia

string

PossibleRecordStorageMedia

string

CurrentPlayMode

string

NORMAL

TransportPlaySpeed

string

1

RecordMediumWriteStatus

string

NOT_IMPLEMENTED

CurrentRecordQualityMode

string

NOT_IMPLEMENTED

PossibleRecordQualityModes

string

NumberOfTracks

ui4

0

1

CurrentTrack

ui4

0

1

CurrentTrackDuration

string

CurrentMediaDuration

string

CurrentTrackMetaData

string

CurrentTrackURI

string

AVTransportURI

string

AVTransportURIMetaData

string

NextAVTransportURI

string

NextAVTransportURIMetaData

string

RelativeTimePosition

string

AbsoluteTimePosition

string

RelativeCounterPosition

i4

AbsoluteCounterPosition

i4

CurrentTransportActions

string

A_ARG_TYPE_SeekMode

string

TRACK_NR

REL_TIME

A_ARG_TYPE_SeekTarget

string

A_ARG_TYPE_InstanceID

ui4

Current device RootDevice description:

<?xml version="1.0"?>

yamaha:X_device

yamaha:X_URLBase http://192.168.1.15:80/</yamaha:X_URLBase>

yamaha:X_serviceList

yamaha:X_service

yamaha:X_specTypeurn:schemas-yamaha-com:service:X_YamahaRemoteControl:1</yamaha:X_specType>

yamaha:X_controlURL/YamahaRemoteControl/ctrl</yamaha:X_controlURL>

</yamaha:X_service>

</yamaha:X_serviceList>

</yamaha:X_device>

1

0

<dlna:X_DLNADOC xmlns:dlna=“urn:schemas-dlna-org:device-1-0”>DMR-1.50</dlna:X_DLNADOC>

pnpx:X_compatibleIdMS_DigitalMediaDeviceClass_DMR_V001

</pnpx:X_compatibleId>

pnpx:X_deviceCategoryMediaDevices Multimedia.DMR MediaDevice.DMC

</pnpx:X_deviceCategory>

pnpx:X_hardwareIdVEN_0033&DEV_0006&REV_01

</pnpx:X_hardwareId>

df:X_deviceCategoryMultimedia.DMR

</df:X_deviceCategory>

urn:schemas-upnp-org:device:MediaRenderer:1

R-N301 C44909

Yamaha Corporation

http://www.yamaha.com/

Network Player

R-N301

N301

http://www.yamaha.com/

0E33CE53

uuid:5f9ec1b3-ed59-1900-4530-00a0dec44909

123810928305

image/jpeg

48

24

/BCO_device_sm_icon.jpg

image/jpeg

120

24

/BCO_device_lrg_icon.jpg

image/png

48

24

/BCO_device_sm_icon.png

image/png

120

24

/BCO_device_lrg_icon.png

urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:RenderingControl:1

urn:upnp-org:serviceId:RenderingControl

/RenderingControl/desc.xml

/RenderingControl/ctrl

/RenderingControl/evt

urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ConnectionManager:1

urn:upnp-org:serviceId:ConnectionManager

/ConnectionManager/desc.xml

/ConnectionManager/ctrl

/ConnectionManager/evt

urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:AVTransport:1

urn:upnp-org:serviceId:AVTransport

/AVTransport/desc.xml

/AVTransport/ctrl

/AVTransport/evt

http://192.168.1.15/

UPnP devices found : 8

Device #0: ID 0x0 RX-V581 DD5365 UID: uuid:9ab0c000-f668-11de-9976-00a0dedd5365 Location: http://192.168.1.5:49154/MediaRenderer/desc.xml

Device #1: ID 0x0 R-N301 C44909 UID: uuid:5f9ec1b3-ed59-1900-4530-00a0dec44909 Location: http://192.168.1.15:8080/MediaRenderer/desc.xml

Device #2: ID 0x0 Denon AVR-X3500H UID: uuid:dc8838df-f05f-1191-0080-0005cdc861d2 Location: http://192.168.1.17:60006/upnp/desc/aios_device/aios_device.xml

Device #3: ID 0x0 Marantz NR1504 UID: uuid:5f9ec1b3-ff59-19bb-8530-0006781b8aaa Location: http://192.168.1.54:8080/description.xml

Device #4: ID 0x0 Denon AVR-X3500H UID: uuid:03dc1e8c-8080-1421-0080-0005cdc861d2 Location: http://192.168.1.17:60006/upnp/desc/aios_device/aios_device.xml

Device #5: ID 0x0 Denon AVR-X3500H UID: uuid:cc9328d4-361a-1ff9-0080-0005cdc861d2 Location: http://192.168.1.17:60006/upnp/desc/aios_device/aios_device.xml

Device #6: ID 0x0 Denon AVR-X3500H UID: uuid:b2cea63f-4036-09ff-d877-f2ab18f7391e Location: http://192.168.1.17:60006/upnp/desc/aios_device/aios_device.xml

Device #7: ID 0x0 Denon AVR-X3500H UID: uuid:5e0502bc-8ea5-9ab2-0b9b-b19a0b333935 Location: http://192.168.1.17:60006/upnp/desc/aios_device/aios_device.xml

CoreAudio audio path, buffer I/O frame size: 0

Max. memory for audio buffers: 7168MB

Local Audio Engine:

Exclusive access: Enabled

Integer mode: Enabled

Local devices found : 1

Device #0: ID 0x2f Built-in Output Manufacturer: Apple Inc. Model UID: AppleHDA:129 UID: AppleHDAEngineOutput:1B,0,1,2:0

Antoine · June 2, 2020, 3:11pm

Can you deactivate upsampling and try to play a track again?

PieterC · June 2, 2020, 3:15pm

I have and the result is the same, I think I may have toggled that to see if it changes anything before. Can send teh new debug info?

Antoine · June 3, 2020, 4:17pm

Hello @PieterC this is a bug in the media renderer upnp implementaiton of yamaha. You must also note that the device tyou see in DAC is in fact Airplay as it only support 44,1kHz. Can you check in the Audio Midi Setup app of your Mac if its the case?

Furthermore, when you click on this link: http://192.168.1.17:60006/upnp/desc/aios_device/aios_device.xml
Are you able to see something? Can you make a screenshot of it?

PieterC · June 3, 2020, 7:00pm

Hi @Antoine,

Thanks for persevering!

You are right that the the Yamaha is in fact playing through Airplay when selected from DAC list. It shows up in the MIDI Setup and has only a fixed setting of 44,1kHz that can’t be changed, my computer is a late 2015 iMac with this limitation. Does this mean I am stuck with this?

Antoine · June 4, 2020, 2:51pm

For wireless connectivity you are stuck to it. HAve you trued to connect to your Yamaha with a cable?

Thank you for the xml information but it’s hard to read, can you download the xml file and send it to us at support@audirvana.com?

PieterC · June 4, 2020, 4:53pm

The Yamaha (and all other devices except mobile phones and tablets) are hard wired on the LAN (Cat. 6 network). Do you mean connecting a TOSLINK or COAXIAL cable? I have thought of that but will be only as a test as it is not convenient placement.

I will download the xml file and send as requested. The moment I have figured out how to do it…

Antoine · June 5, 2020, 7:14am

Yes, only for the test, to see if you have more than 44,1 available.

When you open the xml in your browser, right click on the text and click on “save under…”

PieterC · June 8, 2020, 8:52pm

Hi @Antoine,

I have sent the xml file to the support address, perhaps you have received it?

Some observations about the Yamaha RN-301 if it is useful to anyone that I have since figured out:

To use the Yamaha from the NETWORK list like any of the others on my system (not going through Airplay) is to switch the source on the unit itself to SERVER manually. Go figure. It seems pretty obvious now but the other Yamaha unit on my home network (RX-V581) switches source automatically when it is selected in Audirvana as does the Denon. Maybe a shortcoming in the software on the unit? So now it works when selected from the NETWORK list…but…only with PCM rates 44,1 and 48 supported. According to the spec the unit is capable to 192kHz.
So I did what you suggested and connected it with a TOSLINK cable trailing a 10m long one from the Mac to the unit to test. When connected in this way and setting the source manually to OPTICAL (not getting caught out twice…) it does in fact play at 24/192 which is the full extent of its capability. Incidentally there is a significant audible sonic quality difference when set up in this way so really the way to go.
It would appear that through some limitation within the unit it is not capable of anything above 48kHz when connected over ethernet but when connected with a digital interconnect (I have not tried the COAXIAL but assume that too will work) goes up to 24/192. Am I missing something?
Since trailing a 10m TOSLINK cable across the dining room floor is not a practical long term option could you suggest an alternative setup perhaps. What about something like a Hifiberry Digi + Pro to overcome this?

The Denon issue persists, it is not a big deal but would be good to resolve. Let me know if you have not received the xml file.

Thanks for the help!

P

Antoine · June 9, 2020, 11:59am

Hello @PieterC, the xml file has been received, we will need to review it properly and maybe contact Denon for further explanations.

system · June 19, 2021, 11:59am

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