Multiple problems during playback

I have multiple issues during playback:

  1. If a song with higher sampling rate is played after one with lower the song is played slower, like a record for 45rpm played at 33rpb. In my case a 24bit/96kHz file is played after one with 16bit/44kHz. You can hear an example in the linked file: [iCloud Drive - Apple iCloud]
  2. Player stops during playing
  3. In the middle of the song the player jumps to the next song. See debug files

My configuration is:

  • Audirvana Studio on dedicated Mac mini (M1, 16GB) (newest OS and Audirvana), WiFi over dedicated WLAN, WiFi5
  • Primare SC15 MK2 (newest firmeware) connected via UPnP, Ethernet CAT8.1 connected with the same access point, where the WiFi of the Mac mini is available.
  • same issues with Ethernet only

You are experiencing a synchronization problem… The DAC is not recognizing the sample-rate metadata about the new file…
Simplify your playback scenario and connect the Primare box directly to the MacMini via Ethernet and your music library connected locally via USB

Please paste your debug information here so folks can help as best possible…
I personally don’t want to go to iCloud (for security reasons) to download files when you can paste them in the post… or link to your other related post…

:notes: :eye: :headphones: :eye: :notes:

You are restricting the SC15 MK2 playback potentials by employing UPnP which is restricted to 24/192kHz and DSD128…

With USB B you can playback PCM to 384kHz… The problem with DSD playback using USB with the Primare box is that the SC15 MK2 does not support DoP (DSD over PCM) file playback.

Digital inputs

3 x Optical/TOSLINK 192kHz/24bit

1 x SPDIF/RCA 192kHz/24bit

1x USB-A up to 192kHz/24bit; up to DSD128 (5.6MHz)

1x USB-B up to 384kHz/24 bit; DSD256

8 available sample rates up to 5644800Hz
44100
48000
88200
96000
176400
192000
2822400
5644800

Volume control: Yes
Max volume alert: Enabled

MQA capability
Auto-detect MQA devices: Yes
Not automatically detected, user set to not MQA

DSD capability
Raw DSD (msb)

:notes: :eye: :headphones: :eye: :notes:

Debug Info

Audirvana Studio 2.10.2 (21002)

macOS Version 15.5 (Build 24F74) ARM64 with 16GB physical RAM

Connected account of : Istvan Densagined

NETWORK
	Status: available
	Local network access: allowed

SIGNAL PROCESSING:

	Polarity Inversion:
		Globally: OFF
		Per track: ON
	Effects plugins NOT ACTIVE

UPSAMPLING:
	r8brain not in use
	r8brain filter parameters
	Bandwidth = 99.5%
	Stop band attenuation 218dB
	Phase linear

AUDIO VOLUME:
	Max allowed volume: 89.899
	Replay Gain: None

LIBRARY SETTINGS:
	Sync list: 1 folders
		Manual: (OFFLINE) /Volumes/Medien Server/Media/Music
	Sync folders at startup: NO
	iTunes/Music library synchronization: not synchronized
	Sort and display order: de
	Library database path: /Users/audirvana/Library/Application Support/Audirvana/AudirvanaDatabase.sqlite

Local audio files fingerprinting
	Tracks with no MBID: 3258

Remote Control server:
	Listening on  on port 49586

ACTIVE STREAMING SERVICES
	TIDAL:  Connected as PREMIUM

APPEARANCE SETTINGS:
	UI theme: dark
	Font size: regular
	Language: Systemsprache
	Show album covers in tracks list: yes
	Source list sorted: 
		Streaming
		Meine Musik
		Radios
		Podcasts
		Lokal
	Startup view: Eigene Wiedergabelisten
	Show local extended in source list: yes
	Use media keys: yes
	Use media keys for volume control: yes
	Use Apple Remote: yes
	Number of paired remotes: 3
	Remote pairing code required: yes
	Screen saver disabled: yes

=================== AUDIO DEVICE ========================


Active method: UPnP

UPnP network interface
	Selected Network interface: WLAN
	Available Network interfaces: 
		WLAN

Preferred device: [UPnP] Primare SC15 MK2	Model UID:Primare SC15 Prisma MK2	UID:uuid:01efd6d8-ce86-11ef-a6a3-018a47a8cbbc

Currently playing to UPnP device at 24 bits 44.1kHz
Selected device:Primare SC15 MK2
	Manufacturer: Primare
	Model name: SC15 Prisma MK2
	Model UID: Primare SC15 Prisma MK2
	UID: uuid:01efd6d8-ce86-11ef-a6a3-018a47a8cbbc
	UPnP device at http://192.168.1.125:38400/description.xml
	ID 0x0 

8 available sample rates up to 5644800Hz
	44100
	48000
	88200
	96000
	176400
	192000
	2822400
	5644800

Volume control: Yes
	Max volume alert: Enabled

MQA capability
	Auto-detect MQA devices: Yes
	Not automatically detected, user set to not MQA

DSD capability
	Raw DSD (msb)

Device audio channels
	Preferred stereo channels L:0 R:1
	Channel bitmap: Ox3, layout:
		Channel 0 mapped to 0
		Channel 1 mapped to 1

UPnP set capabilities
	Maximum PCM frequency set: 192000Hz
	Maximum PCM bitdepth set: 24
	Maximum DSD rate set: DSD128
	Avoid RAW PCM streams: No
	Unwanted playback stop workaround: Yes

UPnP / DLNA supported protocols : 
	http-get:*:audio/L16;rate=44100;channels=1:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
	http-get:*:audio/L16;rate=44100;channels=2:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
	http-get:*:audio/L16;rate=48000;channels=1:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
	http-get:*:audio/L16;rate=48000;channels=2:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
	http-get:*:audio/mpeg:DLNA.ORG_PN=MP3
	http-get:*:audio/mp4:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ISO
	http-get:*:audio/3gpp:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ISO
	http-get:*:audio/mp4:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ISO_320
	http-get:*:audio/3gpp:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ISO_320
	http-get:*:audio/vnd.dlna.adts:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ADTS
	http-get:*:audio/vnd.dlna.adts:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ADTS_320
	http-get:*:audio/flac:*
	http-get:*:audio/x-flac:*
	http-get:*:audio/wav:*
	http-get:*:audio/x-wav:*
	http-get:*:application/ogg:*
	http-get:*:audio/x-ms-wma:DLNA.ORG_PN=WMABASE
	http-get:*:audio/x-ms-wma:DLNA.ORG_PN=WMAFULL
	http-get:*:audio/x-ms-wma:DLNA.ORG_PN=WMAPRO
	http-get:*:audio/aiff:*
	http-get:*:audio/x-aiff:*
	http-get:*:audio/dsd:*
	http-get:*:audio/x-dsd:*
DLNA 1.5: Yes
Native Gapless playback: Yes
Universal Gapless playback active: No
Missing events workaround: Yes
Can play native DSD: Yes
Volume Control: scalar
Number of channels: 2
Use as stereo device only: No

1 output streams:
Number of active channels: 2, in 1 stream(s)
	Channel #0 :Stream 0 channel 0
	Channel #1 :Stream 0 channel 1

Stream ID 0x0 0 channels starting at 0
16 virtual formats:
	2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 big endian Signed Integer 44.1kHz
	2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 big endian Signed Integer 48kHz
	2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 44.1kHz finite length
	2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 44.1kHz finite length
	2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 88.2kHz finite length
	2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 88.2kHz finite length
	2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 176.4kHz finite length
	2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 176.4kHz finite length
	2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 48kHz finite length
	2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 48kHz finite length
	2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 96kHz finite length
	2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 96kHz finite length
	2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 192kHz finite length
	2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer 192kHz finite length
	2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 8 little endian Signed Integer 2822.4kHz finite length
	2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 8 little endian Signed Integer 5644.8kHz finite length

0 physical formats

Current device transportInfo: 
	CurrentTransportState: PAUSED_PLAYBACK
	CurrentTransportStatus: OK
	CurrentSpeed: 1

Current device MediaInfo: 
	NrTracks: 1
	MediaDuration: 0:02:43.000
	CurrentURI: http://192.168.1.177:49152/audirvana/audio_f_92.wav
	CurrentURIMetadata: <DIDL-Lite xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:upnp="urn:schemas-upnp-org:metadata-1-0/upnp/" xmlns="urn:schemas-upnp-org:metadata-1-0/DIDL-Lite/" xmlns:dlna="urn:schemas-dlna-org:metadata-1-0/">
<item id="92" parentID="0" restricted="1">
<dc:title>Ain&apos;t No Sunshine</dc:title>
<dc:creator>Nancy Sinatra</dc:creator>
<upnp:artist>Nancy Sinatra</upnp:artist>
<upnp:genre></upnp:genre>
<upnp:albumArtURI>http://resources.tidal.com/images/3801283b/5dcb/4ded/925a/f57691ba2547/640x640.jpg</upnp:albumArtURI>
<upnp:album>Cherry Smiles - The Rare Singles</upnp:album>
<upnp:originalTrackNumber>4</upnp:originalTrackNumber>
<upnp:class>object.item.audioItem.musicTrack</upnp:class>
<res duration="0:02:43.000" size="28788524" protocolInfo="http-get:*:audio/wav:DLNA.ORG_OP=01;DLNA.ORG_FLAGS=01700000000000000000000000000000" sampleFrequency="44100" bitsPerSample="16" nrAudioChannels="2">http://192.168.1.177:49152/audirvana/audio_f_92.wav</res>
</item>
</DIDL-Lite>

	nextURI: http://192.168.1.177:49152/audirvana/audio_f_95.wav
	nextURIMetadata: <DIDL-Lite xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:upnp="urn:schemas-upnp-org:metadata-1-0/upnp/" xmlns="urn:schemas-upnp-org:metadata-1-0/DIDL-Lite/" xmlns:dlna="urn:schemas-dlna-org:metadata-1-0/">
<item id="95" parentID="0" restricted="1">
<dc:title>For What It&apos;s Worth</dc:title>
<dc:creator>Sergio Mendes</dc:creator>
<upnp:artist>Sergio Mendes</upnp:artist>
<upnp:genre></upnp:genre>
<upnp:albumArtURI>http://resources.tidal.com/images/17ae2723/a28d/47d5/87d8/60c49bdbfa0c/640x640.jpg</upnp:albumArtURI>
<upnp:album>Stillness</upnp:album>
<upnp:originalTrackNumber>7</upnp:originalTrackNumber>
<upnp:class>object.item.audioItem.musicTrack</upnp:class>
<res duration="0:03:43.000" size="39367820" protocolInfo="http-get:*:audio/wav:DLNA.ORG_OP=01;DLNA.ORG_FLAGS=01700000000000000000000000000000" sampleFrequency="44100" bitsPerSample="16" nrAudioChannels="2">http://192.168.1.177:49152/audirvana/audio_f_95.wav</res>
</item>
</DIDL-Lite>

	PlayMedium: NETWORK
	RecordMedium: NOT_IMPLEMENTED
	WriteStatus: NOT_IMPLEMENTED

Current transport actions:
	Play,Stop,Seek,X_DLNA_SeekTime

Current device AVT service description:
<?xml version="1.0"?>
<root xmlns="urn:schemas-upnp-org:device-1-0" xmlns:qq="http://www.tencent.com">
<specVersion>
<major>1</major>
<minor>0</minor>
</specVersion>
<device>
<dlna:X_DLNADOC xmlns:dlna="urn:schemas-dlna-org:device-1-0">DMR-1.50</dlna:X_DLNADOC>
<qq:X_QPlay_SoftwareCapability>QPlay:2</qq:X_QPlay_SoftwareCapability>
<deviceType>urn:schemas-upnp-org:device:MediaRenderer:1</deviceType>
<friendlyName>Primare SC15 MK2</friendlyName>
<manufacturer>Primare</manufacturer>
<manufacturerURL>http://www.primare.net/</manufacturerURL>
<modelDescription>PrimareDMR</modelDescription>
<modelName>SC15 Prisma MK2</modelName>
<modelNumber>2.0</modelNumber>
<modelURL>https://primare.net/product/sc15-prisma-preamplifier-and-network-player/</modelURL>
<serialNumber>1234567890</serialNumber>
<UDN>uuid:01efd6d8-ce86-11ef-a6a3-018a47a8cbbc</UDN>
<presentationURL>http://192.168.1.125</presentationURL>
<serviceList>
<service>
<serviceType>urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:RenderingControl:1</serviceType>
<serviceId>urn:upnp-org:serviceId:RenderingControl</serviceId>
<SCPDURL>/RenderingControl.xml</SCPDURL>
<controlURL>/RenderingControl</controlURL>
<eventSubURL>/RenderingControl/eventSub</eventSubURL>
</service>
<service>
<serviceType>urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:AVTransport:1</serviceType>
<serviceId>urn:upnp-org:serviceId:AVTransport</serviceId>
<SCPDURL>/AVTransport.xml</SCPDURL>
<controlURL>/AVTransport</controlURL>
<eventSubURL>/AVTransport/eventSub</eventSubURL>
</service>
<service>
<serviceType>urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ConnectionManager:1</serviceType>
<serviceId>urn:upnp-org:serviceId:ConnectionManager</serviceId>
<SCPDURL>/ConnectionManager.xml</SCPDURL>
<controlURL>/ConnectionManager</controlURL>
<eventSubURL>/ConnectionManager/eventSub</eventSubURL>
</service>
<service>
<serviceType>urn:schemas-tencent-com:service:QPlay:1</serviceType>
<serviceId>urn:tencent-com:serviceId:QPlay</serviceId>
<SCPDURL>/QPlay.xml</SCPDURL>
<controlURL>/QPlay</controlURL>
<eventSubURL>/QPlay/eventSub</eventSubURL>
</service>
</serviceList>
</device>
<URLBase>http://192.168.1.125:38400</URLBase>
</root>


Current device RootDevice description:
<?xml version="1.0"?>
<root xmlns="urn:schemas-upnp-org:device-1-0" xmlns:qq="http://www.tencent.com">
<specVersion>
<major>1</major>
<minor>0</minor>
</specVersion>
<device>
<dlna:X_DLNADOC xmlns:dlna="urn:schemas-dlna-org:device-1-0">DMR-1.50</dlna:X_DLNADOC>
<qq:X_QPlay_SoftwareCapability>QPlay:2</qq:X_QPlay_SoftwareCapability>
<deviceType>urn:schemas-upnp-org:device:MediaRenderer:1</deviceType>
<friendlyName>Primare SC15 MK2</friendlyName>
<manufacturer>Primare</manufacturer>
<manufacturerURL>http://www.primare.net/</manufacturerURL>
<modelDescription>PrimareDMR</modelDescription>
<modelName>SC15 Prisma MK2</modelName>
<modelNumber>2.0</modelNumber>
<modelURL>https://primare.net/product/sc15-prisma-preamplifier-and-network-player/</modelURL>
<serialNumber>1234567890</serialNumber>
<UDN>uuid:01efd6d8-ce86-11ef-a6a3-018a47a8cbbc</UDN>
<presentationURL>http://192.168.1.125</presentationURL>
<serviceList>
<service>
<serviceType>urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:RenderingControl:1</serviceType>
<serviceId>urn:upnp-org:serviceId:RenderingControl</serviceId>
<SCPDURL>/RenderingControl.xml</SCPDURL>
<controlURL>/RenderingControl</controlURL>
<eventSubURL>/RenderingControl/eventSub</eventSubURL>
</service>
<service>
<serviceType>urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:AVTransport:1</serviceType>
<serviceId>urn:upnp-org:serviceId:AVTransport</serviceId>
<SCPDURL>/AVTransport.xml</SCPDURL>
<controlURL>/AVTransport</controlURL>
<eventSubURL>/AVTransport/eventSub</eventSubURL>
</service>
<service>
<serviceType>urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ConnectionManager:1</serviceType>
<serviceId>urn:upnp-org:serviceId:ConnectionManager</serviceId>
<SCPDURL>/ConnectionManager.xml</SCPDURL>
<controlURL>/ConnectionManager</controlURL>
<eventSubURL>/ConnectionManager/eventSub</eventSubURL>
</service>
<service>
<serviceType>urn:schemas-tencent-com:service:QPlay:1</serviceType>
<serviceId>urn:tencent-com:serviceId:QPlay</serviceId>
<SCPDURL>/QPlay.xml</SCPDURL>
<controlURL>/QPlay</controlURL>
<eventSubURL>/QPlay/eventSub</eventSubURL>
</service>
</serviceList>
</device>
<URLBase>http://192.168.1.125:38400</URLBase>
</root>


UPnP devices found : 1
	Device #0: ID 0x0 : Primare SC15 MK2
		UID: uuid:01efd6d8-ce86-11ef-a6a3-018a47a8cbbc
		Location: http://192.168.1.125:38400/description.xml
		Manufacturer: Primare
		Model name: SC15 Prisma MK2



Local

Max. memory for audio buffers: 13312MB

Local Audio Engine: CoreAudio
	Actual I/O buffer frame size: 0

Local devices found : 1
	Device #0: ID 0x47 Mac mini-Lautsprecher
		Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
		Model UID: Speaker
		UID: BuiltInSpeakerDevice
		Model name: Apple Inc. Mac mini-Lautsprecher

Chromecast


Chromecast devices found : 2
	Device #0: Primare SC15 MK2
		ID: 310fc363dfd7d500af9b66dcfeac5bb3
		Model name: Primare SC15 MK2
	Device #1: [LG] webOS TV OLED55B4ELA
		ID: ffa613299367cd9a8b19d57858ae1523
		Model name: OLED55B4ELA.DEUQLJP


Syslog is a problem. The Syslog file has about 9000 lines.

I cannot connect the streamer directly to the Mac Mini via Ethernet - It doesn’t work. Or do you mean, connect both via Ethernet with the local network. I already tried this, same problems. No playback problems with USB.

I don’t have (play) local music. Everything is streamed via Tidal.

I think it’s a buggy network implementation of the streamer.

I don’t have any material with 384kHz sampling rate, or in DSD. I’m just streaming via Tidal. So why I restrict the streamer?
But “Yes” I don’t have any of these issues if I use USB connection. But the sound is better via Ethernet. But to be honest I don’t use a good USB cable.

What worked for me with #3 was the setting for playback skips, but I see from your debug info you already have that setting activated. I am sorry that I don’t have other ideas. :slightly_frowning_face:

Hi @Densagined,

Which output are your using on your SC15 MK2? Analog or Coax?

Analog

Ok, I don’t have an MK2 here at the office (I have the first version of SC15), but will try to reproduce your issue as soon as possible.

I can reproduce it with this two songs, streamed via Tidal:
First song : You Inspire Me by FM LAETI on TIDAL
Second song: Don't Blame Me by Charles PAsi on TIDAL

If you can connect the streamer to your router via Ethernet you can connect the streamer directly to the MacMini via Ethernet. … If you think it is a problem with the Primare box, what do the Primare folks say about this behavior?

You may like to take advantage of Audirvāna’s capability to up-sample PCM to 352.8kHz and 384kHz … This will help maximize the potentials of the ESS chipset employed in the DAC platform topology.

How long is your USB cable? …It should be a meter or less and of decent quality. Also, I think you said you were using USB-C, are you using an adapter to the USB port(s) on the Primare box? … If you are using an adapter, I suggest replacing it with this on a USB3.0 cable:

:notes: :eye: :headphones: :eye: :notes:

The problem is, if I connect the streamer via Ethernet and give both a fixed IP-Adress I don’t have access to the Internet. Because the Mac mini will prioritize the Ethernet connection to search for music (Tidal). If I change the order, the WiFi will be prioritized, and the connection to the streamer is lost. Do you know how to bridge both networks?

Do you use the UPnP output option or the Chromecast output option in Audirvana? I had some issues with the Primare Prisma platform where those two output options seems to be ‘fighting each other’ in the past.

What solved it for me was putting a switch after the router and connect both the primare device and the computer to the switch.

Maybe an option to try?

Oh man. You can call me a Dummy. It’s soooo easy. I never expect what this works out of the box.

I have configured so many networks with routers and managed switches, VLANS and firewalls, the I oversee simple solution.

Easy steps to reproduce:

  1. Configure Mac mini and Stream with fixed IPs from a different network.
  2. Select the streamer in Audirvana
  3. Change the order of the network services: Put WiFi above Ethernet.
  4. Be happy.

Thanks to widen my horizon.

Now I will start testing again.
BTW: Chromecast server is not available anymore.

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Mac mini is beside the streamer. Cable is just 30cm.

I got feedback from Primare too. They asked me to activate the Universal Gapless Playback… Currently I have no problems any more. Both solutions »direct Ethernet connection between Mac and DAC« and USB works without problems so far. I don‘t know what‘s happen if I go back to original setup, but why should I do this :wink:

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