Start playing DSD popping

Hello. I have a Windows-based PC, DAC Teac UD-505. All softwares, firmwares are up to date. I hear popping sound (2 pops) when I start playing DSD file. FLACs always play good. I tried different settings. Start, 2 loud pops, play. Only DSD. Please help me, thank you.

Hello. I do have the same problem.
This is also a windows-based pc (core i3 / 8gb RAM / SSD) with my Devialet 220 Pro on USB connection.
When I play DSD (using eithier DoP 1.0 or 1.1) there is a pop at the beginning of each track (even those playing gapless)
When I use DSD to PCM conversion, the issue is still present but in an extremely attenuated way.
Excepted this problem, playing dsd during track is good and no issue at all.
Flac is ok too.

Hi everybody!
I’m having the same issue with an IFI nano DSD. And I heard similar many times before. It was always referred as a problem in the driver software. If one of the Damiens was here, he would tell you to ask the manufacturer…
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Hello @Shalamov_V and @superplouplou have you enable upsampling while trying to listening to your DSD files?

Hello Damien,

No I don’t use upsampling so it is not activated.

I send you my log this afternoon.

salut…as-tu eu une réponse pour ton problème ?

Bonjour.
Devialet ne m’a apporté aucune réponse malgré diverses relances.
Je pense personnellement qu’ils s’en foutent et qu’ils préfèrent vendre du Phantom ou de l’enceinte pour Free plutôt que de gérer du SAV pour Expert…
Je trouve cela bien dommage…
Il parait au vu du site “devialetchat” qu’ils prépareraient une mise à jour globale d’envergure mais je ne pense pas que ça concernera notre souci.
Sinon…à mon niveau…j’ai fais quelques tests depuis…

Après avoir potassé le net,
j’ai testé les fichiers .dsf avec foobar et le plugin SACD réglé en DoP, jriver également en DoP…
Les “pocs” sont présents avec tous les logiciels…réglés en ASIO exclusivement.
PS : je ne sais plus si j’avais précisé mais avec Audirvana ils sont présents en ASIO comme en WASAPI même si je trouve que c’est pire en WASAPI.

J’ai aussi testé en .dff (extraits depuis ISO) car certaines personnes sur les forums disaient qu’en DSF pas de souci et ça poc toujours.

Enfin, j’ai testé en image ISO directement…
D’un point de vue pocs, j’ai l’impression qu’en iso c’est meilleur car le poc apparait au lancement et après n’est pas systématique entre les pistes, je confirmerai ou reviendrai là dessus à l’usage à la longue.

Ce qui est sûr c’est que la lecture des ISO SACD avec Audirvana est laborieuse et c’est très long avec mon PC, parceque cela manque d’optimisation ou parceque le soft veut charger l’image en mémoire ? (à se demander si ce n’est pas d’ailleurs pour ça que j’ai l’impression que moins de pocs en ISO)

Bref, au vu de mes tests, j’ai désormais plus tendance à incriminer mon DAC (et Devialet qui font les morts) plutôt qu’Audirvana car le souci semble être le même sur les autres players.

Cordialement

I have the same issue (Windows 10, latest Audirvana version). A double pop when starting to play native DSD256. Audirvana and DAC (Ayre QB-9 DSD Twenty upgrade) say DSD256 should work. FLAC and DSD up to 128 play fine. Any ideas?

Hello @nilsfw,

Can you send me a copy of the “Debug Info”? You can get it in Audirvana Settings>General>Debug Info

Note: By clicking on the Debug Info button, Audirvana automatically copies all its content, all you have to do is paste it in response to this message.

Audirvana 3.5.13

SIGNAL PROCESSING:

Polarity Inversion:
Globally: OFF
Per track: ON
Effects plugins NOT ACTIVE

UPSAMPLING:
SoX not in use
SoX filter parameters
Bandwidth at 0dB = 80.0443
Filter max length = 30000
Anti-aliasing = 100
Phase = 55

AUDIO VOLUME:
Max allowed volume: 100
Replay Gain: None
SW volume control: OFF

LIBRARY SETTINGS:
Sync list: 2 folders
AUTO: E:
AUTO: D:
Library database path: C:\Users\Nils\AppData\Local\Audirvana\AudirvanaPlus\AudirvanaPlusDatabaseV2.sqlite

ACTIVE STREAMING SERVICES
Qobuz: Connected as Qobuz Hi-Fi Sublime+

=================== AUDIO DEVICE ========================

Max. memory for audio buffers: 722MB

Local Audio Engine:ASIO 2 driver version 1091

Preferred device:
Ayre USB Audio Device
Model UID:Ayre USB Audio Device
UID:Ayre USB Audio Device

Active Sample Rate: 11289.6kHz

Bridge settings:
Sample rate limitation: none
Sample rate switching latency: 2s
Limit bitdepth to 24bit: OFF
Mute during sample rate change: ON

Selected device:
Local audio device
Ayre USB Audio Device Manufacturer:
Model UID:Ayre USB Audio Device UID:Ayre USB Audio Device

11 available sample rates up to 11289600Hz
44100
48000
88200
96000
176400
192000
352800
384000
2822400
5644800
11289600
Volume Control
Physical: No
Virtual: No
MQA capability
Auto-detect MQA devices: No
Not a MQA device, user set to not MQA
DSD capability: Raw DSD (MSB)
Device audio channels
Preferred stereo channels L:0 R:1
Channel bitmap: Ox3, layout:
Channel 0 mapped to 0
Channel 1 mapped to 1

Audio channels in use
Number of channels: 2
Use as stereo device only: No
Simple stereo device: Yes

1 output streams:
Number of active channels: 2, in 1 stream(s)
Channel #0 :Stream 0 channel 0
Channel #1 :Stream 0 channel 1
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 44.1kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 48kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 88.2kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 96kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 176.4kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 192kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 352.8kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 384kHz
2 ch DSD 8bit big endian in 8bit chunk 2822.4kHz
2 ch DSD 8bit big endian in 8bit chunk 5644.8kHz
2 ch DSD 8bit big endian in 8bit chunk 11289.6kHz

Local devices found : 6
Device #0: ASUS S1 ASIO (64) Manufacturer: Model UID: ASUS S1 ASIO (64) UID: ASUS S1 ASIO (64)
Device #1: Ayre USB Audio Device Manufacturer: Model UID: Ayre USB Audio Device UID: Ayre USB Audio Device
Device #2: DSD Transcoder (DoP/Native) Manufacturer: Model UID: DSD Transcoder (DoP/Native) UID: DSD Transcoder (DoP/Native)
Device #3: foo_dsd_asio Manufacturer: Model UID: foo_dsd_asio UID: foo_dsd_asio
Device #4: TUSBAudio ASIO Driver Manufacturer: Model UID: TUSBAudio ASIO Driver UID: TUSBAudio ASIO Driver
Device #5: XMOS USB Audio 2.0 ST 300B Manufacturer: Model UID: XMOS USB Audio 2.0 ST 300B UID: XMOS USB Audio 2.0 ST 300B

UPnP devices found : 0

Can you try to change sample rates in your Windows audio settings? Do you ear pops between sample rates change?

Pops only when starting to play a DSD256 file from silence. Do you have a suggestion as to what value I might try to change the bitrate in Windows setup? It was at 16/44, changing to 24/44, 24/192 and 24/384 had no effect. Can the computer hardware (CPU, RAM) play a role?

I think it would be more related to the ASIO driver, can you try with another one or in WASAPI?

@Damien3

I believe this is the same issue as I have with Windows version of Audirvana. Looks like it is rather common… Thanks.

My DAC is a TEAC UD-501
I have the same issue as Shalamov_V (since realese 1.3.8) and never resolved
I repeat myself, I know, but it’s sorry

In Wasapi, only up to DSD128 is possible.

It’s not hardware related but more on ASIO driver implementation, can you contact Ayre regarding this issue?

Pour ma part je n’ai jamais eu de réponse de la firme TEAC.
Peut être que la société AUDIRVANA pourrait contacter la société TEAC pour leur signaler que le driver unique pour piloter tous les DAC de la gamme REFERENCE SERIES n’est pas compatible avec
The ultimate digital audio playback software

I never had an answer from the TEAC firm.
Maybe AUDIRVANA could contact TEAC to tell them that the single driver to drive all DACs in the REFERENCE SERIES range is not compatible with
** The ultimate digital audio playback software **