On my FiiO M17 DAP I have been using Roon for a long time, which streams my music files of all formats flawlessly through the Roon Ready app. Because of the interface that is not polluted with useless information and especially the sound quality, I have a strong preference for using Audirvana. In my experience, Audirvana sounds more open, more natural and clearer in the bass.
For a long time I have been looking for an Android UpnP/DLNA app that processes Audirvana stream without any problems. The most often recommended is BubbleUpnP, but that app blocks after a few tracks. The UpnP function of UAPP also does not get further than a few tracks and then gives up.
So my question is who has experience with a UpnP render app for Android that processes the Audirvana stream bit-perfectly on an Android device. I am very grateful for tips; even more grateful if Audirvana develops such an app itself.
It is possible to install upmpdcli on Android. This is probably not something for the novice. @GioF71 is this a situation where the Docker version might help, or not?
Hello @Jud, it seems to me that the op @DionD is looking for an upnp renderer for his android device. By the docker version, do you mean the container image for Audirvana or the upmpdcli container?
If it’s the former, I don’t believe that it will run on android (especially not on phone/DAP). About the latter, from what the op writes, it seems that Audirvana is running somewhere else, maybe a laptop, or even a linux device fwiw, not on the DAP (the player).
I have tried to enable the renderer on BubbleUPnP but never did any extensive tests. Maybe the playback stops after a few tracks because the app is not configured to stay active, and avoid battery optimizations?
I am trying the scenario right now, although not on a DAP and not using Audirvana, but using the phone with BubbleUPnP as the renderer. In the phone battery optimizations are off for BubbleUPnP. I will let you know if the playback stops!
Also for upmpdcli and android, you would also need mpd running. Isn’t that setup a little too complicated for a DAP player to maintain and configure? @DionD.
p.s. fwiw my phone is still playing after 20 minutes, and it is at the 7th track out of 7. So it didn’t stop I would say, altough the album was quite short.
I will do another test later today.
I was thinking of upmpdcli on Android, since IIRC there’s a Docker version? But in any case thank you, and my apologies for not being clear.
Hello @Jud, no need to apologize
I’m not aware of any version of upmpdcli for Android. Neither it seems to me an easy task to run docker on android (see here). Maybe when using a linux side by side it might be possible, but it does not seem viable to me on a digital audio player. Maybe this is something possible on a dev installation of Android x86 or something similar… but again, I have no experience.
I would say that BubbleUPnP is the safest bet… while an android implementation o upmpdcli is (presumably) not available, running it in docker (assuming it is possible) you would probably encounter the same issue that the BubbleUPnP developer had to solve (e.g.: ability to disable battery optimizations, etc).
Of course these are my opinios and I might miss something.
OTOH, I believe it would be nice if
a) The Audirvana Remote app would support local playback
b) that DAP (FiiO M17) would support UPnP natively
Any of those options would probably fit the use case, what do you guys think?
is it only me or editing a post always results in a error 403? I can’t fix my typos
Just you.
Edit: OK, let’s try again…
All good.
So strange. I tried to remove site data, to no result. I tried to reproduce the issue on Firefox, and it behaved exactly in the same way.
I have the same result when editing my posts… “error 403”
Someone managed: Upmpdcli
Hello @Agoldnear, thank you, I feel a little less lonely now
Btw editing worked right now from the phone!
Thank you @Jud for bringing this to my attention.
I am curious to understand if someone has tried upmpdcli recently on a phone… and also whether the op @DionD has solved his issue!
I am very curious about tips from users who actually have experience with a UpnP renderer app. And as said, it would be great if Audirvana would implement local playback via UpnP in the remote app…
I think you want someone with experience installing a UPnP app on an Android DAP, and unfortunately my experience is with installing a UPnP app on various PC, mini-PC, and Mac operating systems, but nothing on Android or a DAP. Wish I could be of more help.
I assume nobody has tried upmpdcli on Android here… I’d rather not go down that rabbit hole myself so I’m not really surprised.
@DionD, if this is still relevant for you, have you considered USB Audio Player Pro? It’s a paid app, not too expensive, and it can also expose a UPnP renderer. I just tried it on my phone, the renderer is UPnP-AV (not OpenHome) and it works with BubbleUPnP, so I think it should also work with Audirvana.
Thanks for the suggestion, but as I wrote in my first post: The UpnP function of UAPP also does not get further than a few tracks and then gives up.
Yesterday I tried Bubble Upnp again, but the result was: no album art, no DSD, and after a single track no connection. From that moment on Audirvane could not get UpnP connection with Bubble UpnP anymore.
And all this time RoonReady works flawlessly on the FiiO M17.
The frustration still exists and UAPP is not the solution.
Ups sorry, I forgot you already tried UAPP
Hello, I am trying right now this setup:
- Audirvana Studio on Linux
- Audirvana Remote on my tablet
- BubbleUPnP on my phone, Local Renderer enabled (OpenHome is unnecessary for Audirvana so I left it disabled)
I’m at track 5 of an album on Tidal, all is working. Album art is displayed.
Next I will try UAPP and let you know about the results!