Changing files with different sample rate => Plop

Hello @AndyLubke, can you try to change the frequency format in your driver setting sin Windows? If you still have the poping noise after that it would mean that you have a problem with your Topping and will have to ask a fix from them.

Hi Damien,
My Topping does not have this problem with Foobar, JRiver and Kodi.
Also, as I stated in my previous post, this problem also occurs with a pro-ject dac and a Korg dac. Also the pro-ject and Korg do not have this problem with Foobar, JRiver and Kodi.

Furthermore I have now tested it on different computers (my desktop, my laptop). Also I have tested it with a friend at his place (who also has Audirvana) on his system the popping problem also occured on his DAC (Nad M51) with Audirvana, but not with Foobar, JRiver and Kodi.

How can it possibly be a problem with the Topping and all the other DACS if the popping problem is only with Audirvana? I don’t understand how you can not reproduce this problem on your system :wink:

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For now I am using a workaround. In Audirvana now I use WASAPI and play DSD files over DOP. The sharp POP sound is gone. At least I am not at risk damaging my tweeters.

I have seen more posts/threads in this forum about this problem and every time the response is ‘It must be the DAC or the ASIO driver’. I think that is highly unlikely in so many cases especially when all those DACS perform without problems on other players like Foobar and JRiver. Also this problem did not appear in earlier versions of Audirvana. What changed?

Is there a possibility you can build a mute or (disconnect/reconnect with the DAC) in Audirvana when it switches from PCM to DSD mode? Even if you think it is not Audirvana’s problem?

Regards,
Andy

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Hi everybody!
As described above I’m having troubles of the same kind, device is the IFI NANO DSD. There are no driver settings in Windows 10 pro, just what I showed, see above. No impact.
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I have exactly the same problem with iFi iDAC2 when upsampling to DSD256 with ASIO.

Did a bit more testing and it is cleary connected to DSD and ASIO. I can not reproduce this issue when using WASAPI. I would like to use ASIO and upsampling to DSD256 so is there any additional info on this issue?

Hello @alekc, are you using the latest version of the ASIO driver from iFi?

Yes. Specifically I am using currently: USB driver v3.2 and iDAC2 with 5.3c (GTO Filter/MQA/DSD256) firmware.

Can you try to change your sample rate using the windows audio mixer? When you change the frequency, do you hear the plop?

Hi @Antoine, just did the test and I do not hear the plop sound when changing frequency using windows mixer properties no matter if I set lower or higher frequency.

Can you reproduce the issue you have and send your debug info here?You can get it in Audirvana Settings>General>Debug Info

Note: By clicking on the Debug Info Audirvana button automatically copies all its content, all you have to do is paste it in response to this message.

Sure - here it is:

Audirvana 3.5.12

SIGNAL PROCESSING:

Polarity Inversion:
	Globally: OFF
	Per track: ON
Effects plugins NOT ACTIVE

UPSAMPLING:
SoX to DSD256 with filter type B 7th order
SoX filter parameters
Bandwidth at 0dB = 99.5
Filter max length = 30000
Anti-aliasing = 100
Phase = 66

AUDIO VOLUME:
Max allowed volume: 100
Replay Gain: None
SW volume control: OFF

LIBRARY SETTINGS:
Sync list: 5 folders
AUTO: C:\Users
Library database path: C:\Users
ACTIVE STREAMING SERVICES
HRA-Streaming: Connected as VirtualVault
TIDAL: Connected as HIFI

=================== AUDIO DEVICE ========================

Max. memory for audio buffers: 4828MB

Local Audio Engine:ASIO 2 driver version 794

Preferred device:
iFi (by AMR) HD USB Audio
Model UID:iFi (by AMR) HD USB Audio
UID:iFi (by AMR) HD USB Audio

Active Sample Rate: 11289.6kHz

Bridge settings:
Sample rate limitation: 384kHz
Sample rate switching latency: 3s
Limit bitdepth to 24bit: OFF
Mute during sample rate change: ON

Selected device:
Local audio device
iFi (by AMR) HD USB Audio Manufacturer:
Model UID:iFi (by AMR) HD USB Audio UID:iFi (by AMR) HD USB Audio

11 available sample rates up to 11289600Hz
44100
48000
88200
96000
176400
192000
352800
384000
2822400
5644800
11289600
Volume Control
Physical: No
Virtual: No
MQA capability
Auto-detect MQA devices: Yes
Not a MQA device, user set to MQA Renderer
DSD capability: Raw DSD (MSB)
Device audio channels
Preferred stereo channels L:0 R:1
Channel bitmap: Ox3, layout:
Channel 0 mapped to 0
Channel 1 mapped to 1

Audio channels in use
Number of channels: 2
Use as stereo device only: No
Simple stereo device: Yes

1 output streams:
Number of active channels: 2, in 1 stream(s)
Channel #0 :Stream 0 channel 0
Channel #1 :Stream 0 channel 1
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 44.1kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 48kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 88.2kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 96kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 176.4kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 192kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 352.8kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 384kHz
2 ch DSD 8bit big endian in 8bit chunk 2822.4kHz
2 ch DSD 8bit big endian in 8bit chunk 5644.8kHz
2 ch DSD 8bit big endian in 8bit chunk 11289.6kHz

Local devices found : 3
Device #0: ASIO Chord 1.05 Manufacturer: Model UID: ASIO Chord 1.05 UID: ASIO Chord 1.05
Device #1: FiiO ASIO Driver Manufacturer: Model UID: FiiO ASIO Driver UID: FiiO ASIO Driver
Device #2: iFi (by AMR) HD USB Audio Manufacturer: Model UID: iFi (by AMR) HD USB Audio UID: iFi (by AMR) HD USB Audio

UPnP devices found : 0

Have you also tried to deactivate upsampling?

@Antoine as I’ve said earlier this happens only when upsampling is enabled with ASIO. So the quick fix is to disable upsampling but I would still like to use this Audirvana feature.

Ce problème ne semble pas primordial. Il ne doit pas toucher beaucoup de personnes et ne sera donc pas résolu alors qu’il semble n’être apparu que lors d’évolutions du logiciel. Fâcheux.

I have exactly the same experience using a media PC, Oppo 205, Bryston amps, PMC speakers. Audivrana sounds good but if your speakers are expensive you certainly do not want to trust a system that makes tweeter damaging noises when you change tracks!

Come on Audivrana - you need to fix this!

I also use the Oppo 205, this happened to me using Audirvana Windows version.
With Audirvana Mac version, it works perfectly.

Hi Renaldo, thanks - I am curious. What is the maximum DSD resolution you can run through the Oppo 205 with a Mac? Can you play DSD 512 without white noise?

@Damien, I too get a popping when using upsampling to DSD. When turned off the popping doesn’t occur.
Audirvana 3.5.44

SIGNAL PROCESSING:

Polarity Inversion:
	Globally: OFF
	Per track: ON
Effects plugins NOT ACTIVE

UPSAMPLING:
SoX to DSD256 with filter type A 7th order
SoX filter parameters
Bandwidth at 0dB = 94.9733
Filter max length = 30000
Anti-aliasing = 100
Phase = 0

AUDIO VOLUME:
Max allowed volume: 100
Replay Gain: None
SW volume control: OFF

LIBRARY SETTINGS:
Sync list: 2 folders
AUTO: C:\Users\idrac\Music
AUTO: \ts3400d72a\SharedMusic
Library database path: C:\Users\idrac\AppData\Local\Audirvana\AudirvanaPlus\AudirvanaPlusDatabaseV2.sqlite

ACTIVE STREAMING SERVICES
Qobuz: Connected as Qobuz Studio

=================== AUDIO DEVICE ========================

Max. memory for audio buffers: 5742MB

Local Audio Engine:ASIO 2 driver version 1280

Preferred device:
Bryston USB Audio ASIO Driver
Model UID:Bryston USB Audio ASIO Driver
UID:Bryston USB Audio ASIO Driver

Active Sample Rate: 44.1kHz

Bridge settings:
Sample rate limitation: none
Sample rate switching latency: none
Limit bitdepth to 24bit: OFF
Mute during sample rate change: ON

Selected device:
Local audio device
Bryston USB Audio ASIO Driver Manufacturer:
Model UID:Bryston USB Audio ASIO Driver UID:Bryston USB Audio ASIO Driver

11 available sample rates up to 11289600Hz
44100
48000
88200
96000
176400
192000
352800
384000
2822400
5644800
11289600
Volume Control
Physical: No
Virtual: No
MQA capability
Auto-detect MQA devices: No
Not a MQA device, user set to MQA Renderer
DSD capability: Raw DSD (MSB)
Device audio channels
Preferred stereo channels L:0 R:1
Channel bitmap: Ox3, layout:
Channel 0 mapped to 0
Channel 1 mapped to 1

Audio channels in use
Number of channels: 2
Use as stereo device only: No
Simple stereo device: Yes

1 output streams:
Number of active channels: 2, in 1 stream(s)
Channel #0 :Stream 0 channel 0
Channel #1 :Stream 0 channel 1
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 44.1kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 48kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 88.2kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 96kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 176.4kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 192kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 352.8kHz
2 ch Integer PCM 32bit little endian 384kHz
2 ch DSD 8bit big endian in 8bit chunk 2822.4kHz
2 ch DSD 8bit big endian in 8bit chunk 5644.8kHz
2 ch DSD 8bit big endian in 8bit chunk 11289.6kHz

Local devices found : 2
Device #0: Bryston USB Audio ASIO Driver Manufacturer: Model UID: Bryston USB Audio ASIO Driver UID: Bryston USB Audio ASIO Driver
Device #1: Pro-Ject Box ASIO Driver Manufacturer: Model UID: Pro-Ject Box ASIO Driver UID: Pro-Ject Box ASIO Driver

I have the same issue with a “pop”.
Mac mini linked to a Hegel HD30.
I don’t have the upsampling activated but still poping.