Here’s my config:
Audirvana Origin 2.5.18.1 (20519)
macOS 15.1.1 ARM64 with 16GB physical RAM
Connected account of : Michael Sacks
NETWORK
Status: available
Local network access: allowed
Despite what it says on this screenshot, spotlight doesn’t work properly after I stop playing.
I have to exit origin in order for spotlight to start working properly again.
Your settings are identical to mine.
My Spotlight fails to open when I’m playing a file. Upon stopping (unlocking the music) Spotlight opens normally (Command + Spacebar).
Please copy and paste your debug so the experts can perhaps identify your issue.
Regards
Phil
UPDATE
I double checked… Spotlight still operates even although my settings are to stop Spotlight during playback.
DEBUG FOLLOWS
Audirvana Origin 2.5.18.1 (20519)
macOS 14.6.1 ARM64 with 8GB physical RAM
Connected account of : Philip Johnson
NETWORK
Status: available
SIGNAL PROCESSING:
Polarity Inversion:
Globally: OFF
Per track: ON
Effects plugins NOT ACTIVE
UPSAMPLING:
r8brain not in use
r8brain filter parameters
Bandwidth = 99.5%
Stop band attenuation 218dB
Phase linear
AUDIO VOLUME:
Max allowed volume: 100
Replay Gain: None
SW volume control: OFF
LIBRARY SETTINGS:
Sync list: 2 folders
AUTO: /Volumes/MusicSSDT7/AO-SSD-Music-T7
AUTO: /Volumes/MusicSSDT9/AO-SSD-Music-T9
iTunes/Music library synchronization: not synchronized
Library database path: /Users/philipjohnson/Library/Application Support/Audirvana/AudirvanaDatabase.sqlite
Remote Control server:
Listening on on port 51583
APPEARANCE SETTINGS:
UI theme: dark
Font size: large
Language: System language
Show album covers in tracks list: yes
Source list sorted:
Library
My Music
Startup view: Library: Albums
Show local extended in source list: yes
Use media keys: yes
Use media keys for volume control: yes
Use Apple Remote: yes
Number of paired remotes: 0
Remote pairing code required: yes
Screen saver disabled: no
=================== AUDIO DEVICE ========================
Active method: Local
Max. memory for audio buffers: 5120MB
Local Audio Engine: CoreAudio
Exclusive access: ON
Integer mode: ON
Use max I/O buffer size: ON
Actual I/O buffer frame size: 512
Preferred device:
PS Audio PS Audio USB Audio 2.0 Output
Model UID:PS Audio USB Audio 2.0:2616:0110
UID:AppleUSBAudioEngine:PS Audio :PS Audio USB Audio 2.0:2400000:1
Active Sample Rate: 96kHz
Hog Mode is off
Bridge settings:
Sample rate limitation: 352.8kHz
Sample rate switching latency: 1.5s
Limit bitdepth to 24bit: OFF
Mute during sample rate change: ON
Selected device:PS Audio USB Audio 2.0 Output
Manufacturer: PS Audio
Model name: PS Audio USB Audio 2.0 Output
Model UID: PS Audio USB Audio 2.0:2616:0110
UID: AppleUSBAudioEngine:PS Audio :PS Audio USB Audio 2.0:2400000:1
USB Vendor ID: 0x2616
USB Product ID: 0x0110
ID 0x4e
7 available sample rates up to 352800Hz
44100
48000
88200
96000
176400
192000
352800
Audio buffer frame size : 29 to 4096 frames
Current I/O buffer frame size : 512
Volume Control
Physical: Yes
Virtual: Yes
Max volume alert: Disabled
MQA capability
Auto-detect MQA devices: Yes
Not automatically detected, user set to not MQA
DSD capability
DSD via PCM 1.1
Device audio channels
Preferred stereo channels L:1 R:2
Channel bitmap: Ox3, layout:
Channel 0 mapped to 0
Channel 1 mapped to 1
Audio channels in use
Number of channels: 2
Use as stereo device only: No
Simple stereo device: Yes
1 output streams:
Number of active channels: 2, in 1 stream(s)
Channel #0 :Stream 0 channel 0
Channel #1 :Stream 0 channel 1
Stream ID 0x4f 2 channels starting at 1
21 virtual formats:
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 32 little endian Signed Float 352.8kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 32 little endian Signed Float 192kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 32 little endian Signed Float 176.4kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 32 little endian Signed Float 96kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 32 little endian Signed Float 88.2kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 32 little endian Signed Float 48kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 32 little endian Signed Float 44.1kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 352.8kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 192kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 176.4kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 96kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 88.2kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 48kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 44.1kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 352.8kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 192kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 176.4kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 96kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 88.2kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 48kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 44.1kHz
28 physical formats
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 352.8kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 192kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 176.4kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 96kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 88.2kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 48kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 44.1kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 352.8kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 192kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 176.4kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 96kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 88.2kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 48kHz
2 ch Mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 44.1kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 352.8kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 192kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 176.4kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 96kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 88.2kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 48kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 24 little endian Signed Integer aligned high in 32bit 44.1kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 352.8kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 192kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 176.4kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 96kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 88.2kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 48kHz
2 ch Non-mixable linear PCM Interleaved 16 little endian Signed Integer 44.1kHz
Local devices found : 2
Device #0: ID 0x4e PS Audio USB Audio 2.0 Output
Manufacturer: PS Audio
Model UID: PS Audio USB Audio 2.0:2616:0110
UID: AppleUSBAudioEngine:PS Audio :PS Audio USB Audio 2.0:2400000:1
USB Vendor ID: 0x2616
USB Product ID: 0x0110
Model name: PS Audio USB Audio 2.0 Output
Device #1: ID 0x48 Mac mini Speakers
Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
Model UID: Speaker
UID: BuiltInSpeakerDevice
Model name: Apple Inc. Mac mini Speakers
UPnP
UPnP devices found : 1
Device #0: ID 0x0 : BRAVIA KDL-32EX720
UID: uuid:00000000-0000-1010-8000-4CE676BC4AD6
Location: http://192.168.0.194:52323/dmr.xml
Manufacturer: Sony Corporation
Model name: KDL-32EX720
Chromecast
Chromecast devices found : 1
Device #0: Living Room TV
ID: 028a8b6fdd36ec8f7df2df6514552d3e
Model name: Chromecast HD
My spotlight works per your update: (Comand + spacebar) launches it but it fails to find applications, it finds only stuff on the web. Once I’ve started playing music this continues to be true even if I’ve stopped music playback. I need to exit origin in order for spotlight to start finding apps again.
Exactly my experience, as I delve deeper.
I understood Spotlight et al. should be disable completely when plaing music.
Anybody…?
The elements of spotlight that uses significant resources is when it is indexing your local hard disk or conducting a spotlight search of your local disk. This does get turned off during playback with the disable toggle on. The web searches are conducted (currently) by Google on its servers (was previously Bing but switched back to Google in 2017) as such no signficant local resources used, hence this functionality remains. Disabling web search in Spotlight can be done by turning off “Siri Suggestions” in system settings\spotlight (in macOS 15.x) if you so desire…
As regards spotlight not returning after playback has stopped with Audirvana open, it appears I need to type in a new search and hit enter then reopen spotlight to restart a local search but it does eventually come back, this is probably a macOS issue and not necessarily an Audivana issue as for me the local search returns eventually.
Thanks for your response, @Djm1960. “Returns eventually” doesn’t work for me. When I use spotlight I want a response NOW. I have disabled de-activating spotlight. I’ve got an M2 mac mini. Origin is currently playing back and using about 1% of CPU, and spotlight is indexing and using about 1% of CPU. System is roughly 80% idle. I can’t imagine spotlight interfering with origin’s audio playback.
I would tend to agree with you that on a modern m series mac spotlight indexing uses minimal system resources. As such I do not use the disable Time Machine or Spotlight options and have never come across any issues when Time Machine kicks in for a backup or when spotlight is indexing.
I assume this may have been an issue on older systems in the days before SSD drives. Can’t say I have heard any sound degradation or issues leaving Time Machine, spotlight or screen savers on which is my default setup. Only turned on the disable spotlight option today to reproduce your issue. I too have an m series mac (M4 Max) with SSD read/writes speed currently in the 5-7 gigabytes per second range as such I would not expect indexing, Time Machine or screen saver activation to create any issues with Audirvana playback.
However there are audiophiles who will seek every last system optimisation to ensure the highest quality playback, for me if I can’t hear a difference I will not pursue what to my ears are needless tweaks….
May l assume you would not buy speaker cables at $62K per pair?
Needless to say I have not bought any “audiophile” grade, power supplies, ethernet switches, cables, USB isolation devices… My KEF speakers run on the cables provided in the box. My main system has Chord Electronics, DAC’s/pre-amp, power amp, streamer connected to B&W 702 S3 speakers all with cables acquired from a cheap electronics store! Still sounds wonderful, and to be quite honest just as good as the Moon Audio cables offered by the store where I bought the speakers. I have dollar store ears which test well but appear to not identify the superior sound quality promised on websites or in the HiFi media with a true “audiophile” cable solution.
@TribecaMikey @Djm1960 @philipjohnson
I believe if this is indeed an Audirvāna operational bug… it will be addressed.
If we were to look at the audiophile hardware DAC/DDC/Streamer/Server/Player landscape we will notice a fundamental axiom in virtually every design dogma… This is focused on the simplification of operations while handling digital-audio files over the topology of the platform(s)… Ultimately, you have purchased Audirvāna for its adroitness in presenting one of the best sounding digital-audio engines available, if not the best sounding player application available on commercially available computer platforms, especially the Apple macOS based platforms.
Where is the point of diminishing returns…? This is very subjective in nature… What are the defining parameters that feed into our value judgements regarding sound-quality at any level of appreciation? These perceptions are unique to one’s experience(s) and subject to the cognitive-biases we all hold as justification for our certainties, regarding the quality of sound we experience in our individual playback scenarios. However, Audirvāna was not created in a vacuum… it is created by an audiophile, for audiophiles, with a premise and ultimate goal of delivering the perfect transmission of the reference master encoded digital-audio bits (the only true O’s and 1’s) lifted from the storage medium and converted to electrical signals, to any given DAC with the highest level of integrity, given all of the hurdles these digital-audio signals must jump along the path to our amalgamation of components, and our individual playback environment scenarios(s).
Ancillary operations create CPU cycle interrupts… the only thing that mitigates gross implications (noise) on the digital-audio signal is the data throughput bandwidth across the memory bus and the allocation of memory for register/accumulator buffer size… We see in a completely vertically integrated digital-audio player, that ancillary operations are minimized to a point of being inconsequential or non-existent… And the best of the best, take this simplified and unified, vertically integrated design dogma into a rarefied stratosphere of experience.
Every experience and observation is perceived in a context that is individually biased.
Apple Inc. exemplifies these endeavors, by providing computer platforms that push the boundaries of personal-computing in every way… It is this pursuit of excellence and artistry that has made it possible for us to enjoy the fruits of their labors, through the adroitness of Damien’s design dogma and pursuit of excellence that seems to be the trademark of the entire Audirvāna team… Again I thank them for their dedication to furthering the technology of digital-audio playback and for defining a benchmark, if not the benchmark of audiophile experience in the context of commercially available computer platforms and Operating Systems.
Here we go again. How can a conversation about spotlight suppression problems with using Audirvana derail so quickly into another futile cable discussion? Please… keep it on subject.
100%. Becoming unusable as a place to get actual information. I can well do without the many posts that boil down to: “I don’t know, but here’s my super impressive hot-take 2 cents on something else”.
The OP diverted the trajectory of the thread… Also, it became obvious that this issue was not unique to the OP’s system configuration and needs more insight from the Audirvāna support team, as others were finding the same behavior on their systems… I personally disable Spotlight and Time Machine and the screen sleep/saver on my M2 Max Mac Studio… Always have done this and will continue to disable these ancillary operations during playback… I wonder if the “Restart all selected services now…” is being instigated in-order to regain these System operations?
I did try using both going directly to spotlight and typing a search and additionally using the “restart services now” option. The former took about 10 seconds typing in a couple of searches before seeing local results. The latter produced a spinning beach ball in AS for 7 seconds or so. Effectively the same amount of time for me, personally don’t really perceive it as an issue to be quite honest……
When you click on the lock to make the song stop…
then right after go in the preferences of Audirvana… Audio Tab…
you can see there that the SysOptimizer is closing, not close…
before i can see Ready again, it took mine like 60 seconds…
So, you may have to wait that time before searching something on your Mac…
I want to clarify the behavior I am seeing with respect to local search in spotlight with disable spotlight enabled.
Also, my comment about the speaker cables was a joke. Sheesh.
Let’s be clear. If I had won the lottery last night on my shopping list is speaker cables by Foliflex which I have budgeted for $10,000. So please, no laughing matter in my books.
Oh you can jest all you like but every time I go to a live concert I’m reminded how much work and money I’ll need to come even near that sound in my Granny Flat.
Regards
Phil
The third bullet point in my previous point was in error. I have corrected that bullet point to accurately reflect @RunHomeSlow’s post, with which I agree.
Bottom line: I frequently listen to music while working at my computer. I am not willing to stop listening to music in order to use spotlight. Consequently I will turn off the button that allows Origin to disable spotlight while I am working at the computer. If I am listening to music but not working at the computer, I will turn that button on.
I no longer think there’s a technical issue to fix w/r/t this matter. I think the verbiage on the screen could be improved: the relationship between exclusive audio access and SysOptimizer could be clearer.
This is a minor gripe about a great piece of software. I love the sound I get out of Origin. It’s just that the consequence of allowing SysOptimzer to disable spotlight doesn’t happen to suit my workflow.
From the online User Guide found in the top-right of the pop-up window(s) in the Settings options:
This screen shows you the OS version of your computer, the size of your RAM and its usage rate as well as the CPU load in %.
We remind you that the RAM size must be at least 4GB (8GB recommended)
Audirvāna significantly reduces the load on it by buffering the audio (RAM) and performing digital processing and decoding of the audio data before playback. In order to do this, and to avoid altering the audio stream, Audirvāna needs exclusive access to your computer’s processor. This guarantees an unaltered data stream from end to end of the processing chain (bit-perfect).Apple MAC
SysOptimizer optimizes the OS for audio playback, disabling non-essential services that can place a heavy load on the processor.
If you choose to optimize your system for audio playback - which we recommend - this will allow the computer to set the priority level of Audirvāna over other audio streams. We recommend the Extreme priority level.
Spotlight and Time Machine are resource-intensive background processes. It is therefore strongly recommended that they be deactivated at the start of the playback. They will be reactivated as soon as the playback is stopped.
