Please Audirvana Help Us Organize.. Mac Users at least

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As we know… Apple Music is hard to avoid, if only because it files physical files automatically in subfolders and can, if handled well, be a huge help with large libraries. For that we need to really have our tags on point.

Apple Music is nerve-wrackingly bad when it comes to handling metadata, often not applying metadata corrected using its info boxes etc. Apple should be fined millions for being so bad with this app over decades now, and maybe a few people should be guillotined, but I’m not in charge so… let them eat cake.

We have, as Audirvana users, a few ways to handle this mess better: Audirvana… but its tagging system is… if I am not mistaken missing a very important tag option that can be of great help in Apple Music: ‘Album Artist’ which allows all sorts of voodoo I won’t expand on here… but let’s say it is very practical for Compilations etc…

CAN YOU PLEASE ADD THAT !!
Some angel will bestow gifts upon you for a good deed.

Also can you please add the option to Reveal in Finder pretty much everywhere, at the album level, song level etc… now it is quite convoluted you have to open that darn popup floatsy info box and go into ‘Infos’… Let’s CON-VO-LU-TE like it’s 1999.

Ultimately I cannot really use Audirvana for true Metadata management, and I tend to use Mp3tag more and more (beaTunes is a hot mess… this one parties like it’s 1995) but I need to drag&drop files onto it… and to locate my physical files I need to use either Apple Music or Audirvana… and Audirvana makes it hard.

Apple allows to drag&drop directly from it to anywhere… to Mp3tag for example but Audirvana does not… would be soooooooooooooooo helpful. But Apple Music makes it hard to search files inside of itself, its search system is sub-PA-THE-TIC. Whereas Audirvana’;'s Search is good… until you need ot actually access the files themselves.

I hope I make senes. I think I might to Apple users…

All in all very simple… IN A NUTSHELL:
Add ‘Album Artist’ option metadata.
Let us drag and drop songs or albums out of Audirvana and let us Reveal in Finder from anywhere not just the Infos box.
Or get the Mp3tag engine licensed and put it inside Audirvana.

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Audirvana doesn’t edit the metadata of the music files, but the metadata it stores in its own database used for organising.

If you want to have your metadata organised consistently across all media and playback software, just use a metadata editor. There are several, Apple Music being one of them.

Do it before you add a file to Audirvana, otherwise you need to remove it and add it again if you want the metadata being rescanned in Audirvana.

ps.: I’d recommend to strip out any confusing drama from your posts if you want a valid answer. It’s confusing, just keep it concise and to the point.

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If you edit any track/album using the metadata editor, the change will be done on the track itself :wink:

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This already exists, but it isn’t very clear, and I’m working on it with the team.

When you open an album (and not selecting a track) and then the metadata editor, you end up with this:

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The “Artists” section you see there is in fact “Album Artists” :upside_down_face:

Those two things are being worked on as I speak :wink:

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Since when? The instructions were always that you needed to export en import the database if you wanted to keep metadata adjustments if you, for instance, switch PC or Mac.

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Humm, since a metadata editor was added to Audirvāna, I think it was some time ago.

Do you remember where you saw that the tracks’ metadata was stored in the database when you edited them?

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:star_struck:
Great, the less juggling to organize things the better. If I could do everything easily in one tool I would. Sadly I cannot… beaTunes at best but it is so not a fun app to work with.

Question:
Is there a set of ‘Standard’ tags for audio files ? Seems for instance that beaTunes sees and allows access to ‘everything’ it finds… but it is a cumbersome app, though most powerful.

Whereas Mp3tag did something odd… As a trial I added various tags to a song under Audirvana’s ‘Extended’ and Mp3tag sees them as the Artist and added them all before the name of the Artist in the Artist field, which of course would mess everything up… so my understanding is that certain tags fields are more disruptive than others.

Apple Music on the other hand changed the Artist by using the Audirvana Soloist field I believe.

Basically they all ‘kind of do their own thing’ with certain tags ??!!!

For my own approach I’d rather only use tags that are understood the same by all apps, in complete coherence which is why I am wondering if there is a core set, a sort of convention and if there is… does it differ depending on file types… The idea again would be to have tags that play well with all apps and all file types. And of course that are embedded in the file, which if I understand well they always are, no matter the app used to enter them.

You can refer me to online articles on this if you know any that explain all this clearly. Very much appreciated. It’s a tagging jungle out there.

T H A N K S

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I have to try to retrace that, but I think it was in the conversation with the classical music tags and the wish for adding work and movement tag support.

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It just shows what kind of person you are.

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What type of track was it? Because if it’s a FLAC or MP3, things can be handled differently depending on the type of the track.

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mp3
I’ll refrain from using any tags other than the ones from the General panel.
Prefer a completely foolproof approach to tagging.
:see_no_evil:

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What you have in the extended section is mainly based on Classical music and must be considered an album artist/artist. It’s all because ID3v2.4 tag scheme is like this:

https://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Foobar2000:ID3_Tag_Mapping

All I can tell you is that MP3tag is not wrong, as if you open the extended tag editor, you will see what I’m talking about:

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Yes, but there is one annoying divergence between standard mp3 tags and Audirvana practice: not separating Genres with a “;”… Using standard separators that are accepted in pretty much any other software, in Audirvana I end up having a multiplicity of joined genres instead… Maybe that could get fixed…

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I populated the first 3 fields of Extended with various terms, just for testing… the Artist is My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult and it became the terms I entered (Soloist, Conductor, Ensemble) separated by double backslashes placed before the original Artist name when opened in Mp3tag.
Not sure how beaTunes or Apple Music would have read it. I fixed it back. So no Extended for me.

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Yes I did a test by entering a soloist and a conductor. The Conductor did go into the conductor field but the Soloist was a disaster as it actually replaced what was already in the track Artist(s) field, erasing without warning any previously entered information. Much safer to use an external tag editor. But then the issue remains that Audirvana does not see the standard semi-colon “;” as a separator for genres, composers or artists…