REPLAY GAIN Questions

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Can I get some clarification about “ ReplayGain - Album Gain, Tack Gain, Album Peak, Track Peak” etc?

When I use PICARD to gather and clean the Metadata, I notice that sometimes the above TAGS are present. (not always)

When and by who, are these values entered? The Mastering Engineer? PICARD?

Does Audirvana read these TAGS and perform these changes?

For example; I see some CD’s with a “ReplayGain Album Gain” of -8.36 dB. Why would I want the music to be automatically turned down by -8.36 dB? Was there a mistake made during the Mastering process for someone to be adding this?

The only MASTERING process I’ve been involved in was back in the Vinyl days, so this is all new to me. As an engineer, I would mix the album to have consistent levels across tracks.

While listening to Audirvana in “shuffle” mode, I use the “Volume Levelling” option built into Audirvana to keep the volume across tracks from different albums close to the same level.

In PICARD I also see the tags “dynamic range (dr), dynamic range (r128). What is the difference between these two? Is PICARD analyzing the Dynamic Range like Audirvana is doing or is this TAG being entered by a human? Hopefully this TAG doesn’t trigger a LIMITING by the player.

Thanks in advance for the education.

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Thanks for that.

But it doesn’t really answer my question about the Meta Data I’m seeing within the individual AUDIO FILES; “ReplayGain-Album Gain, Tack Gain, Album Peak, Track Peak” and if Audivana is using this data when present.

I guess I could alter the Meta Data myself and see if it makes a difference. In Audirvana I let the SW control the volume and have the DAC’s volume option not active.

I would use PICARD to do the editing, because my Mac program called META does not display those TAGS.

Am I missing something?

Ultimately, I would prefer that my files play at the level that they were originally Mastered at.

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I use the replay gain to calculate data on all my tracks and i use only it in album tracks view tag field: DR to see the dynamic range of my files…

i don’t use the replay gain options… when playing my music, except if one night i use random play in my library, then i will use it to every tracks to make sound more equal between all my tracks from different CDs and groups

If you don’t use the play replaygain it will not change your tracks… one calculate only, then the other option can play the calculated number…

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I do exactly the same thing.

I then activate “Volume Levelling” within Audirvana only when using my playlist, to level out the tracks from different albums.

My concern is that when I initially use PICARD to correct/update the Meta Data (before importing into Audirvana), all these other TAGS show up; “ReplayGain-Album Gain, Tack Gain, Album Peak, Track Peak”.

With some CD’s these TAGS don’t appear, or they display “0”.

My initial question was; “who has entered this data and is it effecting the way Audirvana is playing it back”. I would prefer to have it at the level that it was it originally Mastered at.

Is someone entering this data into PICARD to try and correct something they feel is wrong, or is this done to the digital file during the mastering process.

Thanks everyone for the education. :folded_hands:

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When I analyze tracks I buy (HDTracks, Bandcamp, Qobuz etc.) with Picard no ‘Replaygain, Albumgain’ etc. tags show up.

Picard uses the database from MusicBrainz for its data and I have never seen replaygain info in those results.

Recording studios normally do not put replaygain metadata in their tracks either, as far as I know.

The only thing I can think of is that some other program already analyzed the tracks and put that data in before you put them in Picard. Picard normally does not remove fields that are already there.

I also use Foobar2000 for Replaygain analysis and Foobar2000 creates its own Replaygain fields in the tracks. When Audirvana analyses the same tracks after that it does not recognize the Foobar Replaygain fields and adds its own with different names.

As said. Probably some program analyzed and entered those fields before you put it in Picard, because that analysis can only be done by a computer program via standard/established algorithms. The original master does not contain such data.

If the data is entered by another program as Audirvana then Audirvana will likely not use it. Audirvana only recognizes the replaygain data it analyzed and generated itself.

Edit:

I now see there is a plugin for Picard available that calculates replaygain. Did you maybe install that in Picard? If so look in the settings how to turn it off.

New ReplayGain 2.0 Plugin Released - MusicBrainz Picard - MetaBrainz Community Discourse

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All my replay gain data is done in JRiver before importing CDs in Audirvana… simpler and faster to tag in JRiver…

Replay gain is done in JRiver too. Many gain numbers in JRiver, but

when i put my CD in Audirvana… it sees the DR numbers of JRiver…

but i have to do it (replay gain) in Audirvana because it will say that those numbers are not calculated :slight_smile:

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Yes Audirvana will probably show those JRiver tags, but likely does nothing with them, because they are named differently than the tags Audirvana itself generates.

When I let Foobar2000 analyse the tracks, Foobar puts it own replaygain fields in it. After that, when I let Audirvana analyse the same tracks, Audirvana adds its own replaygain tags to it. So in the end I have 2 sets of differently named replaygain tags in my tracks (one set from Foobar and another set from Audirvana). This is perfectly fine and does not give any problems in Foobar or Audirvana.

I don’t know where the replaygain tags from @Ric1 come from, but I have a suspicion they are generated with a plugin in Picard itself (see my previous post). Otherwise I have no explanation how they got there. That data is not calculated and added by hand, that is for sure.

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Hi @Ric1 I forgot to tell you that Audirvana does nothing with any replaygain settings if you turn volume leveling off in Audirvana. If you turn it off you get the original level the tracks where mastered at. So even when there is replaygain info in your tracks Audirvana will ignore it with this setting set to ‘no leveling’. See below:

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Thanks guys, great info. I appreciate it.

I do use “No Levelling” when listening to a single source.

My concern was that what I was seeing in Picard, might be messing with the original Mastering Level which I didn’t want. If Audirvana ignores this, then that’s great news. I’ll not worry about it anymore.

I think the “Audio Scan”, determining “DR” and the ability to “Level all Tracks” (for playlist purposes) are worth the price of admission. I’m just hoping in the New Year they will focus bringing the Remote App to the next level.

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Solución definitiva ReplayGain.

Escrito en Español, lo siento por no demostrar mi conocimiento en Inglés.

No cometan el mismo error que pase por años buscando la respuesta.

En primer lugar no se quien carajos se invento esa normativa absurda de Audio Televisión, al aplicar “EBU R128 - 23LUFS” en archivos de audio, (Progamas para Audio).

Si el volumen perfecto para “Audio” es de -18LUFS con Normativa Americana “ReplayGain V2.0”

Si no fuera por este progama “BeaTunes” qué explica, seguiría engañado por toda la vida.

Hize una prueba de “Análisis de Audio” en estos Progamas: Foobar 2000, Audirvana, JRiver Media Center, Platinum Notes, BeaTunes, entre otros programas gratis, incluso con “FMedia Codec” todos regulan a este mismo número “-23LUFS” es absurdo, este nivel se aplica solo en Podcast o programas de Televisión.

Cambie los valores de volumen analizado en “JRiver Media Center” en la Etiqueta de Volumen, por los parámetros analizados en “Beatunes” - 18LUFS y ufff… Sonó al fin todos los parlantes 5.1.

Audirvana: tiene un ReplayGain muy inferior “Amateur” básico, el más básico del mercado para ser un progama de pago.

Foobar2000: Tiene valores erróneos

JRiver Media Center: Lo hace Perfecto, compatible con el resto de equipos de audio, Radios Auto, Etc…, pero con un volumen de “-23LUFS” aquí el problema.

Antes de proceder: Borren todos los metadatos de ReplayGain de otros programas con “MP3TAG” sirve para FLAC y otros archivos de audio.

Cambien el valor exactamente, tal como se muestra en donde dice:

“ Nivel de Volumen R128: “-11LUFS” a “ Nivel de Volumen R128: 18LUFS”

[Valor por “BeaTunes” ReplayGain V2.0 ]

“No existe distorsión”

No se escucha distorsiones como dicen, mejor ayuda mucho al SubWoofer, los parlantes Surround suenan más nítidos y con más volumen.

La diferencia es abismal. Pase horas investigando y el único progama que aplica el “Replaygain 2.0 o R128” con el Standard de volumen -18LUFS es: “Perfect Tunes by DB Poweramp” con el volumen a “-18LUFS” Nativos.

Disponible para Windows y Mac OS

En la Versión de Mac OS, no está disponible “ReplayGain” según ellos que talvez para más tarde en procesadores M1.

Esta es una captura de pantalla de “BeaTunes” solo esta disponible en Mac OS, pero sus metadatos solo funciona con ITunes Music y no en otros programas de Audio mencionados anteriormente. Así no te perderás de mucho con mi explicación.

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Welcome…
You will find more information here and a link to the DR database…

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