Transparency on what Studio is analyzing the library for

Musicbrainz Picard for MacOS can do that. But usually doesn’t need to do that. Instead, Picard can read the disk id from your CD to look it up. Sometimes it presents you with multiple options from the Musicbrainz’ database and you select the correct one.

I usually look up my albums manually in both the Musicbrainz and Discogs database.

These are nice features, but they are not enough when it comes to Classical music.
For Classical music, you can not rely on these databases.
They may put the composer in the artist tag or even in the album tag. They will never give the composer the same name. It could ā€œRachmaninoffā€ for one album ā€œRachmaninovā€ for another…

You have to complete the tagging manually, otherwise your library becomes an awful mess. For that you need an app like Yate or mp3tag.

EDIT:
Yes, I check sometime the different options that these databases offers for the albums.

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You can see the MusicBrainz Recording Id meta data tag in Yate using the View / Metadata as Text… menu item.

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Thank you!

It shows values like this one:

Unique File Identifier:
desc = https://musicbrainz.org
value = 208cce47-8416-4040-9469-98af217e9b78

And do you know how to view MusicBrainz tags to modify them?

Surprised that the developer has not chimed in about this issue.

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Particularly because all that’s needed is to make the MusicBrainz tagging opt in. A simple change that would make all users happy with respect to this issue. Then we can all move on to actual evaluation of the software.

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Like many others I have checked, and very many audio files were modified by Audirvana Studio.
Yes, new metadata has appeared, but it seems not to be of a nature that would compromise security or privacy.
If Audirvana Studio does not use the MusicBrainz metadata to ā€œover-ruleā€ the metadata I chose for my audio, I can live with that. There will only be a very long but unattended backup session to follow.
However, the way this happened remains a matter of principle to many, and a matter of cost or technical limits to those who backup their music files in the cloud.

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Technically, you are correct.

For me personally, I’d actually like to have an acknowledgment of the major breach of trust that @Antoine and his team have done.

I’ve literally spend months and months curating my metadata of a library with over 100K tracks.

Audirvana abused my trust, meddled with my files and didn’t even bother asking, or mention the fact anywhere during the release process or even on this forum that it directly touches the music files and not just puts this information into the library file.

Until this is fixed, and understood as a major issue, I won’t touch Studio ever again. And this is from a user who’s be an avid fan of Audirvana since even back the non-commercial version.

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I agree with you that some kind of ackowlegment and apology is in order.

Beyond that, I can only assume that in the rush to release this unfinished iteration of Audirvana Damien’s team has forgotten too many aspects of marketing and legalese.

Damien started all this as a one man band on a personal project that was initially some sort of freeware. From that point on, the success of Audirvana has maybe overwhelmed him.

The difficulties to develop what we now know as Audirvana Studio and at the same time support properly Audirvana 3.5 seems to suggest that.

Will the new pricing structure permit the Audirvana Hermit Crab to change shell fast enough and grow on, I do not know, but with a capital of €1000 Audirvana SAS does not seem ā€œcapital richā€ enough to fight it for long, unless new money kicks in, hence maybe their choice of subscription model (which I remain opposed to as I would have preferred an annual version based upgrade fee)

This feels like a make or break moment for Audirvana, and humanly it is certainly a very testing time for Damien.
I understand it can feel difficult for many to keep their respect for him while legitimately expressing their frustration and bug reports, but I hope many of us will not forget the exhilarating journey we shared with Damien so far.

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I agree Grwfsywash. To a point.

I’m reasonably certain that the metadata (Musicbrainz) adds to users locally stored files isn’t detrimental to the actual files themselves. However as others have alluded to, this has the possibility of adding additional ā€˜strain’ to whatever backup method these users have in place.

Also the statement that…

'No data is shared, all we do is analyzing your track to have the Accoustic ID of the track and then with Musicbrainz we are displaying the missing metadata in Audirvana (we are not adding them in your track)'

…has the potential to lead to a certain amount of distrust when it’s actually been proven that this is NOT the case.

IMO, naturally.

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And then, like I said, there’s another side to this issue: it’s not changing all files but only portion of them each time you scan. If you remove folder or reinstall app and then add folder again, it will change different files. Which leads me to belief there might be a bug related to library analysis.

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I add my own Musicbrainz file tags via Picard, I don’t want Studio doing this, ever!

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I am afraid I have to report that if Audirvana Studio does not change the metadata of my music files, Audirvana Studio allows itself to alter the track information displayed at least in album view.

More precisely and as an example, in a Barbra Sterisand album named ā€œBack to Brooklynā€, not all track artists are the same as some are guest starred alongside Barbra Streisand, the album artist.
The Metadata in the files reflect that.

So, all should be well …but surprisingly, Audirvana Studio adds MusicBrainz own entry, just before my files’ metadata when displaying the track artists: Clutter and Bother!
The added information can be edited out, but that should not happen.
My understanding is that when a metadata field in the file has data, MusicBrainz information should not be displayed for that file, especially when MusicBrainz data is incorrect.

It seems to only affect the tracks for which the track artist differs from the album artist.
I am disappointed, as I was not expecting that my good and correct music files curating work would be literally brushed aside in this fashion.

While I appreciate that this analysis facility may help those who never bothered much with their metadata, this prompts me to demand that an opt-in function for this MusicBrainz analysis interference.

I am trying Audirvāna Studio. Analyzing my local files the program seems to open them and save them again under the actual date (today) overwriting the original files. Why? Are any tags being changed? What is being changed? Why? -

I stopped immediately when I realized that. Had had a similar issue when I tried out Windows media player: The album covers were extracted and tiny versions of them were saved in smallest files under the same name ā€œFolder.jpgā€ in the same directory overwriting the original files with my meticulously scanned covers. Cannot tell you how angry I was when I realized that.

Similar thing now with Audirvāna Studio?

The issue is not cleared up yet, but I decided to continue to test SA with some dozens of albums that I copied to a USB-key, so I don’t care if SA modifies their tags or whatever it does to them.

I launched SA and immediately went to the preferences/Local to suppress the synchronization of SA with the folders on my RAID-1 with which the app has been set to synchronize.
Though, I suppressed the synchronization of these folders in the preferences, their albums still appear in the library. And though they are suppressed in the preferences, SA started a new analysis process of their files!

I quitted SA.
Everything goes wrong with this application.

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I’ve just updated to Yate version 6.5 so I’m not sure if the feature below is in previous versions.

I now have a tab called UD Text (user defined text) showing in the right pane of Yate. This tab shows any non-standard tags in a file and allows them to be edited or deleted. This includes the MusicBrainz Recording ID tag.

I’m not sure if the UD Text tag is visible because I clicked a link called User Defined Text Info Items at the bottom of the More Info tab or if the tab was there anyway.

I hope this helps

Regards, D

Hi davdm,

I have the UD Text tab in Yate.
I loaded some modified tracks to Yate, but the MusicBrainz tags do not appear in this tab.
I can only see them with the menu View/Metadata as text…

But from the screenshots above, it’s not altering existing metadata; it’s simply ADDING new metadata fields and associated info.

Today, my computer carried out a scheduled cloud backup of my music files. I had not added any new tracks since the last backup. The backup stored 1195 altered files. Checking the date stamps and metadata showed they had been altered by Audirvana Studio.

I backup to Amazon S3 storage. I PAY for that storage. I also PAY for I/O operations on that storage.

Trying Audirvana Studio has cost me money. Who is going to pay for this? I guess it’s me! I wouldn’t mind if I had been warned, but none of us were. This is verging on criminal negligence.

And no, it’s not a huge amount of money, but only I should decide to spend it!

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Fair enough.
But for reasons mentioned elsewhere (backups being one of them) Audirvana shouldn’t be ADDING metadata either.
Just my opinion of course.

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